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Munich Conference Opens With Sharp Differences Over Iraq (RUMSFELD ALERT)
Deutsche Welle ^ | February 8, 2003 | Deutsche Welle

Posted on 02/08/2003 6:46:11 AM PST by MadIvan

Both U.S. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and German Foreign Minister Fischer delivered strongly-worded speeches in which they staked out their positions and crossed verbal swords over the pressing issue of Iraq in Munich.


Time's running out --U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
The annual high-level security conference taking place over the weekend in Munich was witness to some strong speeches and verbal sparring on Saturday that reflected the transatlantic tension brewing between Germany and America in the past weeks.

At the closely guarded conference attended by more than 250 top-level military officials and politicians from 40 countries, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that Washington still hoped war against Iraq would not be necessary, but that the world was serious about disarming Baghdad.

Rumsfeld: "No one wants war"

"No one wants war. War is never a first or an easy choice. But the risks of war need to be balanced against the risks of doing nothing while Iraq pursues weapons of mass destruction," Rumsfeld told the gathering. He said that it was difficult to understand how anyone could still doubt Iraq’s intentions after U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell’s report to the U.N. Security Council a few days ago.

In Saturday’s speech Rumsfeld urged the international community to support the military pressure on Saddam Hussein to avoid a war.

"If the international community once again shows a lack of decisiveness, then there’s no chance that Saddam Hussein will voluntarily disarm or flee and thus no chance for a peaceful outcome," he said.

Rumsfeld said that Iraq had been given years to disarm and now the world would know within "days or weeks" whether it was cooperating with U.N. inspectors.

"He (Saddam) has not been contained, he is successfully getting into that country darn near everything he wants," he said.

German minister sticks to his guns

For his part German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said on Saturday that he remained unconvinced of the case for a war against Iraq. He rejected suggestions that Europe was divided on the issue, saying public opinion was firmly against war.

"I am not convinced. That is my problem. I cannot go the public and say that these are the reasons because I won’t believe in them," Fischer said.

The German Foreign Minister instead pleaded in his speech that the U.N. weapons inspectors should continue their work and be given more time to carry out inspections. Fischer turned down Rumsfeld’s demand for a quick decision. "We shouldn’t just follow the logic of a military attack," he said.

The minister renewed his criticism of the U.S. stance of forcing Iraq to disarm through war if necessary. He said the international community was not yet finished with its responsibilities in Afghanistan and the weeding out of the extremist Al Qaeda.

"That’s the first critical question that I ask is why is this being prioritized now? To this day I can't see why. Saddam Hussein is a terrible dictator. But we have known that for a long time," he said. Fischer also reiterated the high risks that a war in Iraq could mean for stability in the Middle East and the war against terror.

Rumsfeld: NATO's dithering "inexcusable"

The U.S. Defense Secretary however reserved harsher criticism for NATO’s failure to take a decision on giving military aid to Turkey in the event of a war against Iraq. He branded as "inexcusable" the move by Germany, France and Belgium to stall NATO’s decision on the issue with the argument that providing military support to Turkey, which shares a border with Iraq, could undermine diplomatic efforts to avert a conflict.

On Thursday NATO Secretary-General George Robertson gave the allies until Monday to object to the measures, which include deploying Patriot missiles and surveillance planes to Turkey.

"I can’t imagine doing that, it is beyond my comprehension... Turkey is an ally, the North Atlantic Treaty provides for this. Turkey is a member of the alliance. To prevent defensive capabilities – just the planning, not even deployment – I think that is inexcusable," Rumsfeld told the conference.

Transatlantic ties under heavy strain

Over the past two weeks, Rumsfeld has whipped up a storm in Germany with his disparaging comments about Germany’s opposition to U.S. policy on Iraq. In late January, he labeled Germany and France, another critic of U.S. plans, as the "old Europe".

He followed those up with a further controversial comparison on Wednesday, by lumping Germany together with Libya and Cuba when he described the three as the countries that have indicated they would not help America in a war against Iraq in any way.

In Saturday's speech, Rumsfeld refrained from criticizing Germany directly and instead played down his comments on the "old Europe". "When I spoke a few days ago of the old Europe I caused quite a stir, but if you take my age into consideration, then I think that could be pretty friendly," he said.

There is little doubt that once-taut ties between the United States and Germany -- ties that were tightened during four decades of the Cold War and knotted by American support of German reunification in 1990 -- have been come undone in the past months.

Chancellor Gerhard Schröder has been mute in his public comments about Rumsfeld's latest statement. But a high-ranking member of the German Foreign Ministry let the United States know Friday about the difficulties that Rumsfeld had created.

"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs, in a radio interview.

Voigt also pointed out that Germany was making a contribution to the U.S. war on terrorism. The Germans and the Dutch will take over the leadership of the International Security Assistance Force in Kabul on Monday. Germany also is assigning 2,600 soldiers to guard 95 U.S. bases and facilities within the country as the American military has built up its forces around Iraq, and Schröder has promised the Americans that they could use these bases to conduct any war.

"When (Rumsfeld) fails to publicly mention this, I think he is making a political mistake," Voigt said in a separate radio interview.

Those outside the government made even stronger comments. "Rumsfeld has flipped out," former Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel said on the television news channel n-tv.

At the conference, German Defense Minister Peter Struck plans to have a closed-door session with Rumsfeld. Struck told a Munich newspaper that he planned to use the meeting to clear up some issues between the countries.

U.S. economic pressure on German companies says paper

The high-level conflict has unsettled the German business community, much as Bush's military buildup has troubled the country's peace movement. "We are extremely concerned that we could lose 10 percent of our exports to the United States," said Anton Börner, the president of the Federation of German Wholesale and Foreign Trade.

Such a loss could be devastating for the German economy, Börner told a newspaper in Hanover, the Neue Presse. In the face of Germany's high unemployment rate and stagnating economy, he said Schröder was acting irresponsibly in his opposition to the U.S. drive to overthrow Saddam.

In the latest development, the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that the United States is reportedly putting economic pressure on Berlin. The paper says that the U.S. has decided to cut its planned multi-million investments in German military bases.

The Bush administration has also threatened to put economic pressure on German companies that do business with Iraq, the paper reports. A letter sent by the government in Washington to Germany's Economics Minister Wolfgang Clement reportedly names firms such as Siemens and warned that they would lose their business ties to the U.S. if they continued to export to Iraq. Germany has strong trade ties to Iraq worth some 336 million euro.

The U.S. Defense Secretary's visit to Europe to drum up support for a possible American-led military attack against Iraq has been met with large anti-war demonstrations and protests. Hundreds of demonstrators have poured into Munich to join protests against the conference of what they see as the "world's war elite" and a possible war against Iraq.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
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Good. Nail Schroeder and Fischer to the wall.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/08/2003 6:46:11 AM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 02/08/2003 6:46:31 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Time to pull out of NATO.
3 posted on 02/08/2003 6:50:22 AM PST by nonliberal (Taglines? We don't need no stinkin' taglines!)
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To: nonliberal
Agreed. Let's set up an alliance starting with America, Britain, Australia and Israel. The few countries willing to hunt evil where it lives.

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 02/08/2003 6:51:16 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
In the latest development, the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that the United States is reportedly putting economic pressure on Berlin. The paper says that the U.S. has decided to cut its planned multi-million investments in German military bases.

We're playing hardball. Good.

5 posted on 02/08/2003 6:52:22 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (The one and only.)
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To: MadIvan
Siemens has a large presence here in the U.S. and most old European nations that don't side with Germany/France (Italy in particular). That could be costly...far more costly then the returns they've received selling forbidden materials under the table to Iraq. I'm sure the majority stock holders are going to feel comfortable with this.

Couple that with the U.S. moving it's remaining bases from Germany to Poland and it could get interesting.

6 posted on 02/08/2003 6:53:03 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: MadIvan
How did we allow the focus to be on inspections rather than disarmament? We can inspect from here to eternity and if no disarmament results, what is the point?
7 posted on 02/08/2003 6:53:34 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I'd say Bush should squeeze the German Government till their eyeballs pop. Schroeder has been insulting and a nuisance.

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 02/08/2003 6:54:00 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Munich. How apropo. Did they pray to the ghost of Chamberlain before getting underway?
9 posted on 02/08/2003 6:55:36 AM PST by Timesink
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To: CWOJackson
I think there is a sense that is growing in much of Europe that the French and Germans have gone much too far in trying to shove their demands down the rest of Europe's throat.

If say, America starts talking about extending NAFTA as an alternative to Eastern Europe to EU membership, you might see the EU collapse very rapidly.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 02/08/2003 6:56:10 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
We never have held Germany quite accountable for World War II. Right after the war - we had to adopt them as allies to combat the Soviets in the Cold War. That's over. They sink or swim now. Squeeze the frikkin' bastards or chuck them over the side to swim with the sharks. I'm sick of their whining, self-serving traitorism.

P.S. I have nothing against the German people - but if they persist with this government - I have EVERYTHING against the German people.
11 posted on 02/08/2003 6:59:12 AM PST by guitfiddlist
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U.S. Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, left, smiles while watchig German chairman Horst Teltschik, right, during the opening ceremony of the Security conference in Munich's 'Bayerischer Hof' hotel, Saturday, Feb. 8, 2003. Leading politicians and high-ranking representatives of the armed forces from more than 40 countries gather in Munich to discuss issues of European, transatlantic and global foreign and security policy. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (C) smiles as he listens to Bavaria's conservative Prime Minister Edmund Stoiber (R) before Rumsfeld's opening speech of the 39th security conference in Munich, February 8, 2003. Rumsfeld said on Saturday Washington still hoped war against Iraq would not be necessary, but said the world was serious about disarming Baghdad. REUTERS/Kai Pfaffenbach


U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (L) and NATO (news - web sites) General Secretary George Robertson smile before Rumsfeld's opening speech of the 39th security conference in Munich, February 8, 2003. Rumsfeld said on Saturday Washington still hoped war against Iraq would not be necessary, but said the world was serious about disarming Baghdad. REUTERS/Michael Dalder

12 posted on 02/08/2003 7:01:19 AM PST by Hipixs
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13 posted on 02/08/2003 7:02:14 AM PST by Hipixs
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To: MadIvan
You are a devious one.

We have some dear friends from Italy who just visited home this passed summer and were livid over the conditions imposed upon them by the EU. According to them Italy is being forced to destroy some of it's olive crop and buy olives from Greece (you really don't want to mess with their olives).

14 posted on 02/08/2003 7:02:58 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: MadIvan
Germany is imploding, both financially and politically. I don't know if Germany can replace the national government early, but if they can, these politicians speaking for Germany today will be out of a job.
15 posted on 02/08/2003 7:04:44 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: CWOJackson
I don't blame the Italians for being angry - there is nothing like Italian olive oil.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 02/08/2003 7:06:22 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs, in a radio interview.

It's the Germans who have been careless and irresponsible. Their problem is arrogance born of total ignorance, or total denial; who knows with these fools.

17 posted on 02/08/2003 7:09:04 AM PST by PLK
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To: MadIvan
"I am not convinced. That is my problem. I cannot go the public and say that these are the reasons because I won’t believe in them," Fischer said.

Germany embraces logic absentia, IMO.   Fischer can't say he's for war... because he doesn't believe in them, well, why then has he *yet* to articulate the reason(s) that war against Iraq is wrong?
18 posted on 02/08/2003 7:09:29 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: MadIvan
"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs

What am I as an American citizen, to make of comments like "the U.N. weapons inspectors should continue their work and be given more time" and "we should finish with Afghanistan and Al Qu'eda"?

What this sounds like to me is, "We do not really care if these weapons fall into the hands of terrorists, nor do we care if Saddam Hussein completes his work on a nuclear weapon. What we care about is our $366 million Euros we get out of Iraq every year. If thousands of you Americans die in some kind of attack, we will send you our condolences... but surely the $366 million Euros are more important than your lives."

Then after telling me that, you tell me we have some kind of partnership. I say to Hell with you.


19 posted on 02/08/2003 7:10:37 AM PST by Nick Danger (Freeps Ahoy! Caribbean cruise May 31... from $660 http://www.freeper.org)
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