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Munich Conference Opens With Sharp Differences Over Iraq (RUMSFELD ALERT)
Deutsche Welle ^ | February 8, 2003 | Deutsche Welle

Posted on 02/08/2003 6:46:11 AM PST by MadIvan

Both U.S. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and German Foreign Minister Fischer delivered strongly-worded speeches in which they staked out their positions and crossed verbal swords over the pressing issue of Iraq in Munich.


Time's running out --U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
The annual high-level security conference taking place over the weekend in Munich was witness to some strong speeches and verbal sparring on Saturday that reflected the transatlantic tension brewing between Germany and America in the past weeks.

At the closely guarded conference attended by more than 250 top-level military officials and politicians from 40 countries, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that Washington still hoped war against Iraq would not be necessary, but that the world was serious about disarming Baghdad.

Rumsfeld: "No one wants war"

"No one wants war. War is never a first or an easy choice. But the risks of war need to be balanced against the risks of doing nothing while Iraq pursues weapons of mass destruction," Rumsfeld told the gathering. He said that it was difficult to understand how anyone could still doubt Iraq’s intentions after U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell’s report to the U.N. Security Council a few days ago.

In Saturday’s speech Rumsfeld urged the international community to support the military pressure on Saddam Hussein to avoid a war.

"If the international community once again shows a lack of decisiveness, then there’s no chance that Saddam Hussein will voluntarily disarm or flee and thus no chance for a peaceful outcome," he said.

Rumsfeld said that Iraq had been given years to disarm and now the world would know within "days or weeks" whether it was cooperating with U.N. inspectors.

"He (Saddam) has not been contained, he is successfully getting into that country darn near everything he wants," he said.

German minister sticks to his guns

For his part German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said on Saturday that he remained unconvinced of the case for a war against Iraq. He rejected suggestions that Europe was divided on the issue, saying public opinion was firmly against war.

"I am not convinced. That is my problem. I cannot go the public and say that these are the reasons because I won’t believe in them," Fischer said.

The German Foreign Minister instead pleaded in his speech that the U.N. weapons inspectors should continue their work and be given more time to carry out inspections. Fischer turned down Rumsfeld’s demand for a quick decision. "We shouldn’t just follow the logic of a military attack," he said.

The minister renewed his criticism of the U.S. stance of forcing Iraq to disarm through war if necessary. He said the international community was not yet finished with its responsibilities in Afghanistan and the weeding out of the extremist Al Qaeda.

"That’s the first critical question that I ask is why is this being prioritized now? To this day I can't see why. Saddam Hussein is a terrible dictator. But we have known that for a long time," he said. Fischer also reiterated the high risks that a war in Iraq could mean for stability in the Middle East and the war against terror.

Rumsfeld: NATO's dithering "inexcusable"

The U.S. Defense Secretary however reserved harsher criticism for NATO’s failure to take a decision on giving military aid to Turkey in the event of a war against Iraq. He branded as "inexcusable" the move by Germany, France and Belgium to stall NATO’s decision on the issue with the argument that providing military support to Turkey, which shares a border with Iraq, could undermine diplomatic efforts to avert a conflict.

On Thursday NATO Secretary-General George Robertson gave the allies until Monday to object to the measures, which include deploying Patriot missiles and surveillance planes to Turkey.

"I can’t imagine doing that, it is beyond my comprehension... Turkey is an ally, the North Atlantic Treaty provides for this. Turkey is a member of the alliance. To prevent defensive capabilities – just the planning, not even deployment – I think that is inexcusable," Rumsfeld told the conference.

Transatlantic ties under heavy strain

Over the past two weeks, Rumsfeld has whipped up a storm in Germany with his disparaging comments about Germany’s opposition to U.S. policy on Iraq. In late January, he labeled Germany and France, another critic of U.S. plans, as the "old Europe".

He followed those up with a further controversial comparison on Wednesday, by lumping Germany together with Libya and Cuba when he described the three as the countries that have indicated they would not help America in a war against Iraq in any way.

In Saturday's speech, Rumsfeld refrained from criticizing Germany directly and instead played down his comments on the "old Europe". "When I spoke a few days ago of the old Europe I caused quite a stir, but if you take my age into consideration, then I think that could be pretty friendly," he said.

There is little doubt that once-taut ties between the United States and Germany -- ties that were tightened during four decades of the Cold War and knotted by American support of German reunification in 1990 -- have been come undone in the past months.

Chancellor Gerhard Schröder has been mute in his public comments about Rumsfeld's latest statement. But a high-ranking member of the German Foreign Ministry let the United States know Friday about the difficulties that Rumsfeld had created.

"It is simply not wise to carelessly endanger a partnership that has been so important to us with such irresponsible comments," said Karsten Voigt, the government's coordinator for German-American affairs, in a radio interview.

Voigt also pointed out that Germany was making a contribution to the U.S. war on terrorism. The Germans and the Dutch will take over the leadership of the International Security Assistance Force in Kabul on Monday. Germany also is assigning 2,600 soldiers to guard 95 U.S. bases and facilities within the country as the American military has built up its forces around Iraq, and Schröder has promised the Americans that they could use these bases to conduct any war.

"When (Rumsfeld) fails to publicly mention this, I think he is making a political mistake," Voigt said in a separate radio interview.

Those outside the government made even stronger comments. "Rumsfeld has flipped out," former Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel said on the television news channel n-tv.

At the conference, German Defense Minister Peter Struck plans to have a closed-door session with Rumsfeld. Struck told a Munich newspaper that he planned to use the meeting to clear up some issues between the countries.

U.S. economic pressure on German companies says paper

The high-level conflict has unsettled the German business community, much as Bush's military buildup has troubled the country's peace movement. "We are extremely concerned that we could lose 10 percent of our exports to the United States," said Anton Börner, the president of the Federation of German Wholesale and Foreign Trade.

Such a loss could be devastating for the German economy, Börner told a newspaper in Hanover, the Neue Presse. In the face of Germany's high unemployment rate and stagnating economy, he said Schröder was acting irresponsibly in his opposition to the U.S. drive to overthrow Saddam.

In the latest development, the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that the United States is reportedly putting economic pressure on Berlin. The paper says that the U.S. has decided to cut its planned multi-million investments in German military bases.

The Bush administration has also threatened to put economic pressure on German companies that do business with Iraq, the paper reports. A letter sent by the government in Washington to Germany's Economics Minister Wolfgang Clement reportedly names firms such as Siemens and warned that they would lose their business ties to the U.S. if they continued to export to Iraq. Germany has strong trade ties to Iraq worth some 336 million euro.

The U.S. Defense Secretary's visit to Europe to drum up support for a possible American-led military attack against Iraq has been met with large anti-war demonstrations and protests. Hundreds of demonstrators have poured into Munich to join protests against the conference of what they see as the "world's war elite" and a possible war against Iraq.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
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To: MadIvan
Gee what are France and Germany hoping for.... Munich Agreement II?
41 posted on 02/08/2003 8:47:53 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: tophat9000
It is indeed unfortunate from the French and German perspective that the conference is being held in Munich. It is fortunate from ours because it opens a rich vein of rememberance and irony.

Regards, Ivan

42 posted on 02/08/2003 8:49:13 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Ping me immediately if anybody says anything about "peace in our time". ;-)
43 posted on 02/08/2003 9:28:31 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: mikenola; Nick Danger
<< Seems to me that alot of Europeans, deep in their pessimistic, fatalist hearts, were more or less OK with Sept. 11 . >>

Most EURO-peons, by far, were -- and are -- of the envy-motivated and hatred and rage-engined, hesperophobic, opinion that we "had it coming" and were as quick to blow out their collectivists' arses their moral-relativists' PoMoBabbling suggestion that "because so much hatred was directed toward US," Our Beloved FRaternal Republic "obviously needed to take stock of itself and to take a moral inventory."

Only twelve years after President Reagan took care of their Soviet enemy -- and eight years of the KKKli'toons' crawling EURO-peon-styled trailer-trashism -- they've gotten a little big for the boots the KKli'toon crime-family's sychophants had been licking -- and are only slowly adjusting to the fact that, particularly post September 11 2001, Our Nation doesn't give a **** what any of them opine!
44 posted on 02/08/2003 10:07:37 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Wphile
Actually I reading Aussie Age wire I think I know why Germans going this route half of Population is now Arab descent they have this haterd toward Germany now Germany has this cradle to grave socialist state now biting in the butt now realize OHHHHHHHHH We not super power ANYMORE

YEAH WHY is that Germans because of failed 1990s Shordere plantform IDIOTS
45 posted on 02/08/2003 10:09:13 AM PST by SevenofNine (Get ready for SMACKDOWN Saddam)
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To: MadIvan
If say, America starts talking about extending NAFTA as an alternative to Eastern Europe to EU membership, you might see the EU collapse very rapidly.

What a wildly good idea!

46 posted on 02/08/2003 10:14:13 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: MadIvan
Munich Conference Opens

Wonder if the Germans intended for the location to be symbolic. They had such success with the British at the last Munich peace conference.

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

47 posted on 02/08/2003 10:19:36 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace; MadIvan
"In the latest development, the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that the United States is reportedly putting economic pressure on Berlin."

They're right. Not sure, but I think Siemens may have just lost a lucrative contract with one of our hospital chains -- may have even been Frist's. We can support this effort to put economic pressure on Schroeder & Co. by practicing our own "dollar diplomacy" in a boycott.

The German auto industry is vulnerable -- Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Daimler-Chrysler, VW. Also targetable are all the German beer imports as well as wines. Machinery. Machine tools. Pharmaceuticals. Software. Electronics. Then there's Bertelsmann AG, the German media giant that owns publishers like Random House -- which in turn has many subsidiaries such as Ballantine, Bantam Dell, Knopf, The Modern Library (more are listed under the "publishers" link at the Random House home page). They own many magazines such as Bon Apetit and even rags like Princeton Review. Also guides such as the Fodor's Travel series. Then there are small presses they own, like Waterbrook Press and Shaw books.

The US accounts for about 10% of German imports. I'd like to see that figure comes down to about 0%.

48 posted on 02/08/2003 1:21:37 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: PAR35
"They had such success with the British at the last Munich peace conference."

They sure did.

49 posted on 02/08/2003 1:25:42 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: livius
Interesting and enlightening.

Our neighbors say that Italy is also required to accept immigrations standards imposed by the EU, not those adopted by their own government.

Another problem they speak of is how the open borders and liberal drug laws of other nations is causing dramatic problems in other countries that have stricter drug laws...the drugs are flowing freely and with deadly results.

50 posted on 02/08/2003 11:23:29 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Bonaparte
Like I've said, I've been boycotting German companies since Schroeder decided to turn his campaign in to America bashing.
51 posted on 02/09/2003 6:19:49 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (The one and only.)
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