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To: mrfixit514
Yes I am.

I don't deny anything. Smoking is bad for me, (Though I am pretty confident that smoking won't give me penile or anal cancer).

The point of this post wasn't whether smoking "May" harm me or not but to expose one of the anti-smoking Nazi's lies about how the smokers cost society money.

4 posted on 02/01/2003 7:11:43 PM PST by qam1
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To: qam1
I quit some time ago.

I never heard of anyone committing a robbery or murder to get more cigarettes.

I put the no-smoking at any cost folks right up there with the GreenPeace-Global Warming crowd.

Chacun a son gout.

14 posted on 02/01/2003 7:57:56 PM PST by JimVT
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To: qam1
The point of this post wasn't whether smoking "May" harm me or not but to expose one of the anti-smoking Nazi's lies about how the smokers cost society money.

Exactly! We HAVE our own health insurance, thank you! No one has to pay for any health care for me or my family.

The Congressional Research Service, in the 1998 revision of their study found: Smokers cost the federal government $9 billion in medical care and $10 billion in lost contributions to social security, etc. But they also found they save $40 billion in retirement costs (mostly social security), about $8 billion in nursing home costs (mostly from Medicaid), and they collect $5.6 billion in cigarette taxes. When added up, smokers saved the federal government $34.6 billion dollars yearly.

State governments saved money too. After subtracting net medical costs of $1.5 billion and $1.8 billion from lost contributions from a savings of $4.8 billion in nursing home costs financed through Medicaid and $.6 billion in retirement savings, and $7.6 billion in cigarette taxes, smokers saved the states almost $9.7 billion.

That's a total saving of $44.3 billion.

Since this 1998 report, taxes have skyrocketed on cigarettes in many states and the tobacco settlement was signed. The settlement was for reimbursement of past and future medical expenses, so states have not only been reimbursed, but smokers are paid up to infinity on future medical costs.

Leaving out new taxes and the settlement, smokers have been overpaying the state and federal governments for an average $950 each year I figure. But to be fair, there are about the same number as former smokers as smokers so if there is ever a rebate given, it should be split up between the two groups and average about $475 each, each year.

Now, the state insurance program may feel the effects of smoker’s costs, but either it should be taken out of the excise tax or figured into the tobacco settlement, which supposedly covers it.

16 posted on 02/01/2003 8:07:58 PM PST by SheLion
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