Professor Refuses Letters of Recommendation to Creationist Students

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[governsleastgovernsbest]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-evolution-dispute0130jan30,0,713004.story

Professor's Letter Refusal Causes Probe By LISA FALKENBERG Associated Press Writer

January 30, 2003, 9:50 AM EST

DALLAS -- A biology professor who refuses to write letters of recommendation for his students if they don't believe in evolution is being accused of religious discrimination, and federal officials are investigating, the school said.

The legal complaint was filed against Texas Tech University and professor Michael Dini by a student and the Liberty Legal Institute, a religious freedom group that calls Dini's policy "open religious bigotry."

[PatrickHenry]

Genuine placemarker. Accept no forgeries.

[Jael]

You must not understand. I would never try and get anyone banned. But I would get on record your libeling someone, and your deceit.

It certainly goes to the heart of your motives. It shows what kind of person (morally) that you are.

Besdies, banning was never a question. You need to be exposed for what you did. You have no credibility now.

[Jael]

You would really judge another human being as not having any worth?

I suppose that means you are pro abortion also.

[general_re]

You have no credibility now.

Try not to emulate your hero so perfectly that you begin to pretend that you are something that you're not. Admit it - I never had any credibility in your eyes, by virtue of promoting the "lies", "frauds", and "fairy tales" of evolution. These are all words that you used, and all words that indicate just how much "credibility" you assign to those who disagree with you.

As for the rest of the folks here, the record can speak for itself, and they can make up their own minds...

[Jael]

Where is a 2x4 and where are forged email headers?

Is this really the best you people can do?

"Peace be with you brother"?

As if you meant that.

[Jael]

That isn't true. You can stand for a position, even if it is wrong, and retain your credibility.

You didn't do that. You stooped to the gutter, selectively posting something to try and frame someone for something they didn't do.


And that is where your motives show your character, or lack there of.

[general_re]

You can stand for a position, even if it is wrong, and retain your credibility.

As you thoughtfully indicate by repeated use of words like "lies" and "fraud". After all, those are widely noted as terms indicating exceptional credibility, aren't they?

You personally attack and denigrate an entire group of people as liars and frauds, and yet you claim the moral high-ground? Nice try, but neither you nor your buddy have any reason to be judging the actions of others until you clear that beam from your own eyes. Hypocrite, heal thyself...

[balrog666]

You would really judge another human being as not having any worth?

You seem to have a remarkable ability to read into a message what isn't there.

I suppose that means you are pro abortion also.

Shall I insult you in turn now?

Try to quit projecting your fears onto other people.

[general_re]

Shall I insult you in turn now?

Try it. It's all they've got in their quivers when you get right down to it, and it is kind of fun to totally ignore what the other person is actually saying in favor of extended conversations with yourself - you can't possibly lose "debates" like that, for one thing.

It's best if you make the accusation a total non-sequitur, for maximum inanity - "You seem to have a remarkable ability to read into a message what isn't there. I suppose that means you are pro-French also."

Whee! Fun, right?

[Jael]

Perfect love casteth out fear.

Why must you assign worth or lack thereof to another human being based on their religious beliefs?

[Jael]

An entire group of people? No, just you.

[VadeRetro]

He didn't spoof any headers. That has been proven. Now, since you are implying something that isn't true, your motives are suspect.

I've been using the paid version of Eudora for about a year. I used an old version that came free with my ISP software for many years previous to that.

It's never got me accused of anything strange. Perhaps this is only because I haven't been booted from any forum and, I ever were, I wouldn't try to continue to scream via email at the same people I had been screaming at inside the forum.

[balrog666]

Perfect love casteth out fear. Why must you assign worth or lack thereof to another human being based on their religious beliefs?

You have a remarkable ability to read into a message what isn't there. Turn it off if you have something to discuss.

[PatrickHenry]

PatrickHenry remains aloof.

[VadeRetro]

Even half aloof is better than none.

[Jael]

Why are you saying that people are fearful? What it is about the subject of evolution frauds that causes you to react in such a negative manner?

[Jael]

You seem confused. Or perhaps you are intentionally acting like you don't understand?

Xman already posted his comments. He did write to people off the list, after he was booted for doctrinal disagreements. He used the redirect function in Eudora.

The list moderator noted that there was nothing amiss. Of course, you and your friends would keep ignoring the truth and try to tarnish someone.

Why?

[Nataku X]

You must learn more about science if you want your arguments to have a better impact. You will NEVER find a textbook with a drawing of the Piltdown man, and you will be pretty hard-pressed to find a textbook that includes Haeckel's actual drawings.

However, I can see where a misunderstanding can arise from...

The way I see it, you (and most people) misunderstand what the point of side-by-side embryo comparisions in different species are. It is not to show that a human being turns into a fish, then frog, then dinosaur, then bird (as the Haeckel drawings show).

More accurate drawings are now included in school textbooks, yes, but far different from Haeckel's fraud. The point of these side-by-side comparisions is to show that there is a steady line of evolution rather than abrupt one--you can see the diminishing yolk, the development of lungs, and so on.

It is VERY easy to misunderstand that as "a human starts out as a tadpole and turns into a rabbit" and so on, but you won't see a scientist saying that. If you have a local library, then that library should have access to an electronic database of peer-reviewed journals, as well as high-school level textbooks--it should be fairly easy to seek out frauds.

[balrog666]

Why are you saying that people are fearful? What it is about the subject of evolution frauds that causes you to react in such a negative manner?

Are you a one-trick-pony? Do you have anything to say for yourself? What do you think you are accomplishing with your repetitious and pointless posts?

[VadeRetro]

The list moderator noted that there was nothing amiss.

"Nothing amiss?" The list moderator noted that Con X had inadvertently found a back-door way to get his posts onto the forum server even after he was banned. This does not equate to "nothing amiss," as a reading of the very link you've been waving around shows. It is impossible to miss that a major pain-in-the-butt disruptor has been trying to refuse being "voted off the island." How he actually found a back door to get his posts onto the server after his banning is a side issue.