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Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Fight AIDS in Africa (It's unprecedented and will save lives)
reuters ^ | 1/28/2003 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 01/29/2003 7:57:13 AM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: tpaine
I rest my case.

Brilliant court argument, tpaine. I haven't seen a presentation like yours since Judge Wopner presided over the "Case of The Puppy Stained Carpet":

"Damn right my dog DID crap on his carpet, but "Biggiesmall dog" pissed and pooed on the carpet of EVERY new house he visited. D'MeetRie should have seen it if he wasn't all the time high and drunk, and he shoulda known that and not let the damn dog into his crib if he didn't want his carpeet destroyed. Not to mention how bad that man over there is in the BED-ROOM your honor ..."

"Everybody else just deals with it. I just let my new boyfriend beat the mutt and told him to leave him off at the mall lot anyway, so it isn't even my dog anymore. I rest my case."

Ya gotta know when to rest the case. It's a fine line between clever and stupid, tpaine, and you've always been firmly on one side of that line.

401 posted on 01/29/2003 11:39:19 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: m18436572
Nice moniker, you know one letter and eight numbers.

That would be a fetching forehead tattoo some day.

Hottie: "So ... we all NEED to know ... what does that number on your forehead mean?"

Freeper Reelin' her in: "It's whatever you want it to mean, kitten. Call me M18436 for short ... all my close friends at the head injury clinic do ... "

Sublime. The boys at the NSA are thinking about running the algorithms right now ... but there's a "too dull to fear" option decided.

402 posted on 01/30/2003 12:07:57 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: philman_36
I have no "spare" blessings to "share" as they are all consumed in simply surviving!

Grubs, roots and berries. That's the ticket.

I guess I'll never be a Vegan, because I prefer to eat the grubs.

Yeah, you are so F'n stressed. Do yourself a favor, walk over to your local library or find a website that has photographic journal of America in REAL DEPRESSION, circa 1933-5.

Get some perspective. It's becoming unusually annoying dealing with you people.

403 posted on 01/30/2003 12:13:23 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Steve0113
ping - I'm about 200 posts behind reading this, but this is the thread I was telling you about.
404 posted on 01/30/2003 4:56:30 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Chad Fairbanks
There is no political rationale (legitimately) for 'buying votes'...

How do you feel about CFR? Is it Constitutional? If not, why was it signed into law?

405 posted on 01/30/2003 5:19:40 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
No I don't like CFR, and why it was signed into law I will never understand - I CAN understand, however, the frustration with special interests donating huge sums of moneys to campaigns in hopes of getting something in return from elected officials. That being said, I believe VERY strongly in our rights regarding speech and political activity. I don't know what the solution is, but the CFR wasn't it...
406 posted on 01/30/2003 5:45:02 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: philman_36
Until then everybody should get their own blessings and leave mine alone! I have no "spare" blessings to "share" as they are all consumed in simply surviving!

You obviously have no understanding whatsoever of the origin of your blessings.

Newsflash........God has no nationality. Believe it or not, he is not an American. Furthermore, everything on the face of this earth belongs to Him. He has so abundantly blessed our country and we do have a great responsibility to our fellow man.

I'm not a lover of foreign aid and I have many objections to over taxation, but........some sacrifices are humane, noble, and ultimately benefit us anyway.

Above all remember that everything YOU have is the product of Mercy and Love. You didn't earn being born here; you were blessed with it.

407 posted on 01/30/2003 6:56:44 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: ArneFufkin
Are you asking me for a date?
408 posted on 01/30/2003 7:05:50 AM PST by m18436572
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To: m18436572
Killing em with compassion, eh?
409 posted on 01/30/2003 7:27:26 AM PST by m18436572
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To: Redleg Duke
Don't waste both of our time with your rants! Having a serious conversation with you is highly unlikely. Just crawl back into your bunker and bash your GW doll.

Please do not personalize the discussion. Personal attacks are a violation of the posting guidelines.

410 posted on 01/30/2003 7:47:23 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: yendu bwam
It would be reasonable to support this African AIDS piece of the program,if indeed the data we are given is correct. However,there are many researchers who can document the contrary.Do not fool yourself into thinking that AIDS in Africa is anywhere near what they tell us it is.

Did you know that there is no confirmation of a positive test in Africa. Here they confirm in 5 or 6 ways. The fact is that AIDS is diagnosed by a complex of symptoms that in the past accompanied diseases of poverty and poor sanitary systems. Now diseases such as TB,malaria,dysentery,malnutrion are no longer the scourge they once were. As one African woman aptly put it "No one dies of 'running tummy' anymore,now everyone dies of AIDS".

If you go over to the Smoky Backroom,there is a thread about e-mailing Bush,the last 20 or 30 posts will give you good information and sources for this info.

411 posted on 01/30/2003 8:44:32 AM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity
It would be reasonable to support this African AIDS piece of the program,if indeed the data we are given is correct. However,there are many researchers who can document the contrary.Do not fool yourself into thinking that AIDS in Africa is anywhere near what they tell us it is.

Good point, saradippity. I believe you're right. I do believe that anyone suffering should be helped - as in the example of the Good Samaritan. But as someone who lived in Africa for some time (and loved it), it irks me that we seem to have forgotten all the terrible health scourges that plague that continent, outside of AIDs. And it is more irksome, since AIDs is completely and totally preventable by behavior, whereas most diseases are not.

412 posted on 01/30/2003 9:02:15 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
You didn't earn being born here; you were blessed with it.

While that's very true, I'm not sure it's a reason to give taxpayer funds to Africa. If people feel strongly about the AIDS issue, why can't they donate their money directly?

413 posted on 01/30/2003 9:30:25 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: ArneFufkin
It's becoming unusually annoying dealing with you people.
Who are "you people"?
And if I'm (me, an individual, not a member of some "group") annoying why are you bothering to respond to me? Just ignore!
414 posted on 01/30/2003 9:39:51 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
You obviously have no understanding whatsoever of the origin of your blessings.
How nice to know that you know what I do and don't know.
Thanks for doing my thinking for me. /sarcasm
415 posted on 01/30/2003 9:41:17 AM PST by philman_36
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To: NittanyLion
While that's very true, I'm not sure it's a reason to give taxpayer funds to Africa.

Perhaps not, but it's a judgment call. We can't be all things to all people and may not always make the best choice. It may simply be a matter of opinion.

However, there may be a strong spiritual (Divine intervention, if you will) push behind the choice of Africa. I understand that they have the greatest growth of new Christians today. Perhaps this is a special blessing. Who knows? God DOES work in mysterious ways.

416 posted on 01/30/2003 9:42:40 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: philman_36
How nice to know that you know what I do and don't know.

Some things are too obvious for anyone to miss.

Thanks for doing my thinking for me.

I try to help whenever possible. You ought to give it a go and try to do it yourself. One never knows.....you might succeed.

417 posted on 01/30/2003 9:46:09 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
It may simply be a matter of opinion.

I think it should be a matter of the Constitution...

418 posted on 01/30/2003 9:47:42 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
I guess on such issues as life and death, I view it from a Christian/humanity perspective and believe that we are obliged to heed the cry of the helpless.

I am not even close to a Constitutional scholar and am not qualified to speak in depth on it, but I don't see a conflict.

Please do not get me wrong. I am not an out of control bleeding heart. I simply believe that some matters of mercy and care should transcend continental divisions and it may be just and proper.

419 posted on 01/30/2003 9:55:34 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: nina0113
this is the thread I was telling you about.

Lots of interesting points of view on this thread, and lots of brass knuckles to go with them.

420 posted on 01/30/2003 10:10:47 AM PST by Steve0113
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