Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Fight AIDS in Africa (It's unprecedented and will save lives)

reuters ^ | 1/28/2003 | Maggie Fox

[Sir Gawain]

LOL

[NittanyLion]

Oh my...

[habs4ever]

I respond to intelligent comments from intelligent posters.Weikel is neither.

[NittanyLion]

I respond to intelligent comments from intelligent posters.Weikel is neither.

Please. You follow certain posters from thread to thread demeaning them, but never substantively addressing their points. I've noticed it with more than one poster.

[tpaine]

That statement is quite laughable given its context. A decent human being would teach these people: how to appreciate and fight for their own freedom, how to support themselves, and how to educate women from spreading their legs/having children they cannot support/and getting AIDS in the first place. If, we are to be decent human beings...we should do that. The problem is, thats not happening. The governemnt is stealing yours and my money to throw money and expensinve drugs at the problem in order to save a few lives and give good face to the center-left. The root of the problem will continue and opportunities will be there for other politicians to show how nice they are by throwing yours and my money at the problem in the future too. How verrrrrrrrrry decent.
234 posted on 01/29/2003 12:01 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus


--- "So, you're OK, and to heck with the rest of the world, eh? How nice. Got any kids? What about them? AIDS does not respect race, sex, or anything else. It's there, and it's deadly. You're OK, but what about your kids, your friends, your neighbors? Feh!"
-MMan-

'So', --- can you refute #234 with any logic? -- I'd bet a lot that you won't even try...

[TheMole]

I'm not so much against pouring $15 million down the foreign aid rathole, although it's true that very little of that money will get to any sick people.

I'm not so much against Bush using an ineffective political strategy against the Democrats, although I think that black Americans will continue to vote 90% Democrat pretty much until the sun burns out.

What stuns me is the number of people who don't understand that "AIDS" is an industry. It's like TV watchers who don't realize that Joe Millionaire and The Bachelorette are as scripted as WWF wrestling. This is 2003. The "epidemic" that Oprah and Donna Shalala said was going to devastate America hasn't happened and isn't going to happen. Since nobody who isn't leading a drug-abusing fast-lane lifestyle is sick, most Americans have tuned out. The fund-raising efforts of the AIDS lobby have hence turned to Africa.

It's hard to know what can change the minds of people at this late date, but I'm going to suggest a few sources. In AIDS in Africa: In Search of the Truth the South African writer Rian Malan, commissioned by the homosexual owner of Rolling Stone, travels to South Africa to research AIDS. He learns that there has been no change in the death rate or in the statistical profile of the recently deceased, and comes to doubt the entire AIDS construct.

In Out of Africa the New York science journalist Celia Farber travels to Ivory Coast, Uganda, and Kenya. The closer she tries to get to African AIDS, the less of it there seems to be.

In Inventing an Epidemic: The Traditional Diseases of Africa are Called AIDS from the April 2000 American Spectator, Tom Bethell discusses the health problems of Africa and the meaningless nature of HIV testing. There's lots more where those came from, but I think those three realitvely short and non-technical pieces are a good start for anyone who wants to understand this issue better.

[Chad Fairbanks]

"I'm more conservative that you, and I can pee farther, too...'

yawn.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I already said I changed my mind - what more do you people want?

[jeremiah]

I was commenting about an early comment, sorry. It is only my opinion, as I am not part of a group.

[Askel5]

AIDS is one of the most easily prevented diseases on Earth. In fact, a person has to engage in activities that most of us would consider extraordinary to contract it.

Primary among them -- if the vector of AIDS/Hep-C infection of the ENTIRE population is studied, including the 90% of U.S. hemophiliacs infected in the 80's:

• Using vaccines;

• Using albumin;

• Using Factor VIII; and

• Using a blood transfusion during birth or surgery

[tpaine]

"I'm more conservative that you, and I can pee farther, too...' yawn.

Pretending that the posts here that show up your liberal views, - are 'peeing contests', - is a feeble ploy, my boy.

So is yawning as your goverment sends tax money to africa against all constitutional restrictions.

Dream on with your fantasy that our government is a socialist republic.

[babaloo999]

Just leave the ball with us so we can continue to play.

[MineralMan]

"That statement is quite laughable given its context. A decent human being would teach these people: how to appreciate and fight for their own freedom, how to support themselves, and how to educate women from spreading their legs/having children they cannot support/and getting AIDS in the first place."

That's true, and it's just what Bush proposed. He said first that _preventing_ AIDS was the goal. Treatment of existing sufferers was second on the list. Education is the only way to prevent it, so you can expect that to be the principal thrust.

[VMI70]

"AIDS is one of the most easily prevented diseases on Earth. In fact, a person has to engage in activities that most of us would consider extraordinary to contract it."

Not only that, it is difficult to catch, except for the obvious direct methods like tainted blood, etc.

I was visiting a friend in Atlanta and we went out to dinner with a fellow who worked at CDC in the aids research and testing area. He told us that their research showed that catching aids was a lot more difficult than it is made out to be. He was speaking only to the transmission sexually, which was his area of study. He said that generally it takes several contacts with multiple partners for aids to establish itself. Considering the source, I have no reason to doubt it.

So you are absolutely correct when you say that it is probably the most easily preventable diseases on earth.

[Jmouse007]

Thank you for your kind statements but my "wisdom" is nothing more than common sense. It is unfortunate that so many here and around the world do not seem to have any when it comes to this insidious disease.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

That's true, and it's just what Bush proposed. He said first that _preventing_ AIDS was the goal. Treatment of existing sufferers was second on the list. Education is the only way to prevent it, so you can expect that to be the principal thrust.

No sale there. Government has proven over time that its ability to educate is horrifying at best. Education has turned into indoctrination of values that are relativistic and irresponsible; even when its intentions are good. At this present time I cant see any government sponsored "education" program being unscathed by the PC police force in Washington/Ithaca(The City of Evil Inc.)/Bezerkly. You don't really think that the this "education" would include any form of abstinence do you? or help to make these people self-sufficient? or basic morality as to how a functional family should operate/exist? I highly highly doubt it...and I have good reason to. Government should not be envolved in these kind of things...charity and the church should.

[VMI70]

"See above - I've changed my mind. I now support the use of Nukes to end AIDS."

That's probably not a good way to do it, because how are we going to be able to loot the continent with that nasty radiation all around. ;)

[Barnacle]

He said that generally it takes several contacts with multiple partners for aids to establish itself.

Shhhhh... That's a secret the media has kept quiet for years. If this ever got out, public sympathy for AIDS infected people would evaporate.

Now repeat after me; “They are arbitrary victims of this dreaded disease.” “They are arbitrary victims of this dreaded disease.” “They are arbitrary victims of this dreaded disease.” That’s it, keep going.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Pretending that the posts here that show up your liberal views, - are 'peeing contests', - is a feeble ploy, my boy.

I don't want to speak for him, but I'm really thinking Chad is not your "boy".

Anyone who knows Chad at all - and that apparently does not include you - knows he is no liberal.

And don't even try to deny that there are urinating contests here day in and day out to see who is the most right-wing, beer-guzzling, wife-beater-shirt-wearing, politically incorrect "conservative" in this forum.

You're one of the prettiest contestants.

[Joe Hadenuf]

To: PhiKapMom

Bush as President:

To: Chad Fairbanks

I agree with you! Believe that Senator Bill Frist, M.D., who has gone to Africa and has seen how devastating this disease is to so many people that have gotten AIDs in Africa through no fault of their own. This epidemic could go around the world and strike more than the gay community. 20 posted on 01/29/2003 8:10 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)

Clinton as President:

Clinton Wants $175 Million for AIDS Programs "Can someone tell me how putting more money into prevention is going to help? It is actually quite simple -- safe sex and don't share needles. Probably the most basic answer is "Just Say NO! If someone doesn't know that by now after all the warnings during the last ten years then they are a moron! Is this State of the Union going to be the big give-away? Every day I read about another give-away. Only when it comes to the Defense Department is it a take-away." 2 Posted on 01/17/2000 19:44:57 PST by PhiKapMom

Uh, LOL! This is a keeper. That's brutal Bill.......