How Many People Has Hussein Killed?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/weekinreview/26JOHN.html ^ | January 26, 2003 | JOHN F. BURNS

[sneakypete]

We may have to go to war with China someday.

I doubt this will happen,as there are too many US politicians and their families in business with the fascists that run China. Bubba-1 and Bubbette! were connected through Wal-Mart,as she used to be on the BOD there before he was elected,and Bubba-2 has his uncle Prescott in business with them and living there.

As for Iraq,there is nothing wrong with going to war with them if we HAVE to,but going to war with them for political reasons merely because we CAN is different altogether.

[happygrl]

War is an extension of politics.

Politics is jaw-jaw, war is bang-bang.

We've tried to get Saddam to see things our way, but...

The proof of this for either side will be the reaction of the Iraqi people. We'll see post-war whether it was a mistake or not.

[HAL9000]

I agree - Burns is an excellent reporter. His several years of reporting from Afghanistan were remarkable.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

As Shakespear said: "Foorsooth and Hark! Yea Knave is GW Bush!"

LOL! 'Specially below that picture!

[Temple Owl]

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Who would have thunk, the NYT would report something that would help Bush make the case!

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Absolutely chilling!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ping!

[Momaw Nadon]

Attack on Iraq Betting Pool

[sneakypete]

We should go to war against Iraq for the threat he poses to us. The above story is just details.

HorseHillary! We are going to war against Iraq to keep Bubba-2's poll numbers high,and to protect Saudi Arabia and Israel by fighing their war for them.

We may have to go to war with China someday.

Maybe,but I doubt it. The Chinese fascists are already business partners with too many of the US "elites" for this to be likely. There may be scattered "hits and misses" to keep the fans rooting for the home teams,but I seriously doubt a real war between us will happen.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I would like to know why us going to war where untold thousand of innocent Iraqui people will be slaughtered

And untold hundreds of thousands more, thanks to Dubya, won't... nobody expects this war to have a high civilian toll because that's not where the action will be. We DO expect virtually all his military to defect, and we will smash Hussein & Co. like a bug within days.

[HiTech RedNeck]

And untold hundreds of thousands more [WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY SADDAMN], thanks to Dubya, won't...

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh, and how much of the world are you willing to let this mad dog Hitler Hussein menace before you decide the USA's own hide is in enough danger to act? Quite frankly, we really haven't cared that much about the horrors internal to Iraq. We do care when the ruler of Iraq starts to brew up poxes and bombs while slavering copious foam from his jaws in gibbering hatred towards America. There's only one thing to be done with a mad dog in your back yard, and that is to shoot it dead.

[sneakypete]

And untold hundreds of thousands more [WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY SADDAMN], thanks to Dubya, won't...

Thanks for the clarification,but I understood your intent in the first post.

FWIW,I'm not one of the people who expects hundreds of thousands of civilian casualities. I also agree with your assessment that the majority of the Iraqui army will desert and surrender at the first chance they get. This does nothing to alter the fact that there will be enough "true-believers" Republican Guards to wage a serious guerilla warfare against occuping troops though,and that there WILL be US troops still there 20 years from now. This war is going to be horribly expensive in the long run,both in terms of financial waste and manpower waste.

[sneakypete]

There's only one thing to be done with a mad dog in your back yard, and that is to shoot it dead.

Iraq is in our backyard? You must think we have a REALLY big back yard!

[mewzilla]

With WMDs that can be transported in a vial, a suitcase, or a cargo container, there's no such thing as containment.

[NMC EXP]

So,I guess this means you think the UN should go to war agains the US because we refuse to obey the internation Kyoto treaty,as well as the small arms prohibition?

On the one hand Bush cites the failure of Iraq to live up to UN resolutions as a justification for a US attack.

On the other Bush tells the UN that if it does not agree with him, the UN is "irrelevant".

A shining example of hipocrasy.

Regards

J.R.

[sneakypete]

With WMDs that can be transported in a vial, a suitcase, or a cargo container, there's no such thing as containment.

You're right. And since a lot of this stuff can be made by any competent chemist and all countries have chemists,I suggest we solve this problem by nuking the whole world before they have a chance to attack us. We can then finish off by rounding up all the chemists in this country,and killing them too!

[sneakypete]

A shining example of hipocrasy.

Shhhh! We're not supposed to notice that! Where would the Bush-Bots be if they had to start paying attention to minor details like that? Let them all be surprised when the UN gives the Mexican Army permission to cross into the US to "protect" Mexican illegal aliens being "abused" (arrested or detained) by US citizens. I wonder if the Bush-Bots will still take the UN's side on this when it eventually happens? I know Bubba-2 would. His goal is to make Mexico and the US one country anyhow,so all that "sovereign nation" stuff means nothing to him.

[copycat]

SADDAM HUSSEIN’S REPRESSION OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE

UNSCR 688 (April 5, 1991) “condemns” Saddam Hussein’s repression of the Iraqi civilian population -- “the
consequences of which threaten international peace and security.” UNSCR 688 also requires Saddam
Hussein to end his repression of the Iraqi people and to allow immediate access to international
humanitarian organizations to help those in need of assistance.

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated
these provisions and has: expanded his violence against women and children; continued his horrific torture
and execution of innocent Iraqis; continued to violate the basic human rights of the Iraqi people and has
continued to control all sources of information (including killing more than 500 journalists and other opinion
leaders in the past decade).

Saddam Hussein has also harassed humanitarian aid workers; expanded his
crimes against Muslims; he has withheld food from families that fail to offer their children to his regime; and
he has continued to subject Iraqis to unfair imprisonment.10

REFUSAL TO ADMIT HUMAN RIGHTS MONITORS

§ The UN Commission on Human Rights and the UN General Assembly issued a report that noted "with
dismay" the lack of improvement in the situation of human rights in Iraq. The report strongly criticized
the "systematic, widespread, and extremely grave violations of human rights" and of international
humanitarian law by the Iraqi Government, which it stated resulted in "all-pervasive repression and
oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror." The report called on the
Iraqi Government to fulfill its obligations under international human rights treaties.
§ Saddam Hussein has repeatedly refused visits by human rights monitors and the establishment of
independent human rights organizations.

From 1992 until 2002, Saddam prevented the UN Special
Rapporteur from visiting Iraq.11
§ In September 2001 the Government expelled six UN humanitarian relief workers without providing any
explanation.12

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN

§ Human rights organizations and opposition groups continued to receive reports of women who suffered
from severe psychological trauma after being raped by Iraqi personnel while in custody.13
§ Former Mukhabarat member Khalid Al-Janabi reported that a Mukhabarat unit, the Technical
Operations Directorate, used rape and sexual assault in a systematic and institutionalized manner for
political purposes. The unit reportedly also videotaped the rape of female relatives of suspected
oppositionists and used the videotapes for blackmail purposes and to ensure their future cooperation.§ In June 2000, a former Iraqi general reportedly received a videotape of security forces raping a female
family member. He subsequently received a telephone call from an intelligence agent who stated that
another female relative was being held and warned him to stop speaking out against the Iraqi
Government.15

§ Iraqi security forces allegedly raped women who were captured during the Anfal Campaign and during
the occupation of Kuwait. 16

§ Amnesty International reported that, in October 2000, the Iraqi Government executed dozens of women
accused of prostitution.17

§ In May, the Iraqi Government reportedly tortured to death the mother of three Iraqi defectors for her
children’s opposition activities.18

§ Iraqi security agents reportedly decapitated numerous women and men in front of their family
members. According to Amnesty International, the victims’ heads were displayed in front of their
homes for several days.

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TORTURE
§ Iraqi security services routinely and systematically torture detainees. According to former prisoners,
torture techniques included branding, electric shocks administered to the genitals and other areas,
beating, pulling out of fingernails, burning with hot irons and blowtorches, suspension from rotating
ceiling fans, dripping acid on the skin, rape, breaking of limbs, denial of food and water, extended
solitary confinement in dark and extremely small compartments, and threats to rape or otherwise harm
family members and relatives. Evidence of such torture often was apparent when security forces
returned the mutilated bodies of torture victims to their families.20

§ According to a report received by the UN Special Rapporteur in 1998, hundreds of Kurds and other
detainees have been held without charge for close to two decades in extremely harsh conditions, and
many of them have been used as subjects in Iraq’s illegal experimental chemical and biological
weapons programs.21


§ In 2000, the authorities reportedly introduced tongue amputation as a punishment for persons who
criticize Saddam Hussein or his family, and on July 17, government authorities reportedly amputated
the tongue of a person who allegedly criticized Saddam Hussein. Authorities reportedly performed the
amputation in front of a large crowd. Similar tongue amputations also reportedly occurred.22