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Tourism office touts state (Delaware) smoking ban -Yeah this going to work
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Posted on 01/25/2003 8:00:03 AM PST by qam1

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:01:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: southernnorthcarolina
But maybe Delaware will end up being a lab of sorts, and some restauranteurs will see that there's a real market for smoke-free dining -- at least on the upscale end of the spectrum.

There have been numerous restaurants such as you discribe in Delaware for many years. and I have enjoyed my meals at them over the years.

But the difference is that the owners chose to make that particular move, others chose not to do so. Now no one has the choice.

41 posted on 01/26/2003 10:13:51 AM PST by Gabz (Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
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To: Max McGarrity
I wish I had seen this thread last night - :(

The only ads from other states of which I am aware are radio ads, primarily in the big markets of Baltimore and Philadelphia.

I won't even listen to my local radio stations (the ones where I used to work) anymore because of the obnoxious ad campaigns from the State promoting their snitch lines.

42 posted on 01/26/2003 10:21:03 AM PST by Gabz (Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
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To: speekinout
You must not be from the East Coast. The beach areas that compete for summer tourists are in NJ, MD and Del.

Very, Very True.

Del has always been a major destination for people, esp. young singles, from cities like Washington.

Yes, Rehoboth Beach has a nickname of the "nation's summer capitol" because of the amount of folks that either have second homes or rent places for the summer from the D.C. area.

It's a great week-end getaway. Or maybe I should say was.

You have that right. there has already been one major casaulty (?) because the owner saw the writing on the wall even before the ban went into effect. The Renegade, while commonly known as a gay bar, was always a hot spot for regular folks because it was the greatest, if not only, true dance club in the entire state.

By the time the summer tourists start getting here it will be long gone and in its place construction of a shopping center or housing development will have begun.

We should know by July 4th if smoking bans are a good idea.

You're right this summer will be interesting, but we need not wait until July 4th to know that this stupid ban was anything but a good idea.

When places in Dover that are normally packed through the holiday season are showing drops of more than $1,200 a week over last year and have available tables on new Year's eve - you know it's not working.

43 posted on 01/26/2003 10:33:00 AM PST by Gabz (Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
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To: AnalogReigns
I wonder if there are any loopholes in the law...

Not anymore. These laws are written by the national anti-smoker organizations and provided (for a "small" fee) to local anti groups seeking prohibitions. They've been through Kookiefornia and other places and know how to close the loopholes. VE HAFF VAYS OF MAKING YOU OBEY OUR MANDATES!

44 posted on 01/26/2003 10:36:29 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: AnalogReigns
I wonder if there are any loopholes in the law... Like calling a place a private club, because you get people to sign a list and take a dollar from them at the door.

There is one place that is doing just that - and is now in jeopardy of losing it's liquor license.

A public Hearing is scheduled for this coming thursday night regarding definition of such things as "private clubs" in relation to the ban. Of course we all know that their decisions have already been made and this is just a formality.

they pulled the same stunt before it went into effect regarding compelling reasons for exemptions - all exemption requests to date have been denied. Including those of nursing homes that had built seperate buildings just for smokers. Those buildings are now non-smoking.

45 posted on 01/26/2003 10:51:39 AM PST by Gabz (Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
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To: qam1
From NJ Chamber of Commerce to NJ residents: Flush twice Delaware needs the water.
46 posted on 01/26/2003 11:09:48 AM PST by duckman (all ducked up with no place to go..)
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To: duckman
From NJ Chamber of Commerce to NJ residents: Flush twice Delaware needs the water.

BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

47 posted on 01/26/2003 11:19:42 AM PST by Gabz (Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
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To: qam1
You are nothing more than another hypocrital, Pseudo-conservative who believes in freedom only as long they are freedoms you like.....for sure

....qam1 lives in a county that was 99% for DAVIS!!!!!!!!

48 posted on 01/26/2003 12:03:38 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: Great Dane
this will backfire on Delaware, BIG TIME.

Wrong Tense.

It should be this bill Has backfired on Delaware, BIG TIME and will continue to do so

49 posted on 01/26/2003 12:06:31 PM PST by qam1
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To: GrandMoM
....qam1 lives in a county that was 99% for DAVIS!!!!!!!!

Sorry Wrong guy. I live in a county that went 57% for Lazio.

We did however at one time go 99% for Gerald "My wife needs an Uzi while I am in Washington" Soloman.

50 posted on 01/26/2003 12:14:40 PM PST by qam1
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To: AnalogReigns
I wonder if there are any loopholes in the law... Like calling a place a private club, because you get people to sign a list and take a dollar from them at the door. If so that would be great--I love seeing loopholes in silly laws--and how that infuriates the nazis.

The only loophole I possibly see is the law does exempt places being utilized fo private purposes where the management has no control of the seating.

So I am wondering if I could go into any bar and rent it for the night for say $1 and of course I would have to take control of the seating so I would get to decide who comes in which of course I would let anyone in who didn't care about the smoking.

It's wild too, as I read on a recent post here in FR, that the real Nazis, for the purity of the "master race" no doubt, were ardently anti-smoking. Hitler was a vegetarian too...

Fascinating how catch phrases like "anti-smoking-nazis" ring true.

Oh yeah, While the term "Nazi" is overused, It fits when describing the anti-smoking Nazis and the other health Nazis. Just look at that 800 number that is constantly promoted to report your fellow citizens to the smoke gestapo. It's on billboards on interstate highways through the state for god's sake. How can anybody not see the paraells between what's happening in Delaware compared to what happened in Nazi Germany.

An interesting historical note is that out of everything the only thing the German people defied Hilter on was in fact his distaste for Cigarettes. Throw people in ovens -- Hey no problem but give up their cigarettes no %#@! way. So if Hilter was unsucessful with the sheep of Nazi Germany I am sure the current gaggle of antismoking Nazis will also fail with the freedom loving people of America.

51 posted on 01/26/2003 1:17:43 PM PST by qam1
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To: Max McGarrity
The Legions in Ottawa thought they were private clubs, and the City left them alone........ until they decided to send in two cops in civies, they were not invited by a member, nor were they members themselves, charges were filed, case has just been to court, judge sided with the Legion, but said they must refrain from serving non-guests and non-members, a small win for us.

By the way, our police no longer respond to fender benders or break and enter, unless violence is involved, but they do have the man power to spy on ashtrays.

52 posted on 01/26/2003 2:05:21 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: GrandMoM
Your point is?
53 posted on 01/26/2003 2:43:19 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Gabz
You're right this summer will be interesting, but we need not wait until July 4th to know that this stupid ban was anything but a good idea.

You are right, of course. It's usually much earlier that people rent their summer houses. I wouldn't be surprised to see the value of real estate in Rhehoboth take a large dip soon. Both rental prices and investment value.

54 posted on 01/26/2003 2:43:38 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Whee The People
And what about what smoking does to peoples lives? That's not at all funny...

Awwww, thanks for worrying about my life for me.

56 posted on 01/27/2003 6:34:05 PM PST by zoyd
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To: qam1
The problem is with these antismoking Nazis. They want smoking banned everywhere regardless of the consequences even in places they never have any intentions of setting foot in.

What I find so interesting is the amount of smoking I saw in the waiting room where I sat with my friend waiting to have radiation therapy. She was 36, smoked 2 packs a day. Continued to smoke. Sad.

57 posted on 01/27/2003 6:37:27 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Whee The People
Aren't you a nasty piece of work.

I don't bother putting it into a tag line:

Anti-smoker, anti-business busybodies REEK of things far worse than any smoker.

58 posted on 01/27/2003 8:02:38 PM PST by Gabz (Congrats Bucs - it's been a long time coming!!!!)
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To: ladyjane
What I find so interesting is the amount of smoking I saw in the waiting room where I sat with my friend waiting to have radiation therapy.

You must live in a far more realistic place than Delaware.

Not only has smoking been outlawed in medical facilities for more than 10 years, now even in the seperate buildings erected specifically for smokers in long term care facilities smoking has been banned.

Because it is an enclosed "public" place the state deemed there was no compelling reason to grant these facilities an exemption to the smoking ban.

If I had a friend or relative in a long term care facility in Delaware, I guarantee they would have been moved to one in another state by now.

Even the people's Republic of Maryland doesn't treat people the way Delaware does.

This smoking ban in Delaware has nothing to do with anything but CONTROL. And the people in charge of the enforcement of it have all but said it.

59 posted on 01/27/2003 8:18:03 PM PST by Gabz (Congrats Bucs - it's been a long time coming!!!!)
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To: qam1
I'm sorry that you people feel it is wrong, but I wish NJ would pass that law too. I can not even go to a club or bar with my friends because the smoke makes my eyes bright red and watery, and I start coughing. (guess I am allergic to it) Plus, the fact that I already had cancer twice. (once at age 16 and again at age 20) I am 22 years old now worrying about preventing myself from being exposed to anything that causes free radicals. (the lovely things that come from smoke as well as other things) Cancer is by far the most horrible thing you could imagine, pure torture. It upsets me to see sites like this with 'smokers rights'. What rights? I don't have the right to go to a club with my friends and be able to enjoy myself because other people are selfish? 1 out of 8 people will die from smoking, and if you smokers want to die, do it alone. I never expected myself to have cancer, and I'm sure most smokers don't think they will either. My cancer was not caused by smoking, but it goes to show that you should take very good care of yourself to try and prevent it happening to you, because there are only 50% odds of living through cancer. But please, don't make other people suffer around you.
60 posted on 04/07/2003 1:32:09 AM PDT by fyer
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