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Marching with Stalinists (Anti-American Protestors)
News and Opinion.com ^ | 23 January 2003 | Michael Kelly

Posted on 01/24/2003 9:17:13 AM PST by PhiKapMom

Marching With Stalinists

By Michael Kelly

The left in America has for a long time now resembled not so much a political movement as a contest to see how many schismatics could dance on the head of a pin, a conversation that has gone from being national to factional to simply eccentric. At some point, progressive politics reached a state where freeing Mumia was considered critical and electing a Democratic president was considered optional.

Then came Sept. 11, and the left found itself plunged into a debate on a subject of fundamental importance. And this was a debate in which to be of the left was to be, by definition, involved: In al Qaeda and in the Taliban and in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, liberal civilization faced an enemy that represented nearly every evil that liberalism has ever stood against.

What was the left going to do? A pretty straightforward call, you might say. America has its flaws. But war involves choosing sides, and the American side -- which was, after all, the side of liberalism, of progressivism, of democracy, of freedom, of not chucking gays off rooftops and not stoning adulterers and not whipping women in the town square, and not gassing minority populations and not torturing advocates of free speech -- was surely preferable to the side of the "Islamofascists," to borrow a word from the essayist and former man of the left, Christopher Hitchens.

Which is the point: Hitchens is a former man of the left. In the left's debate, Hitchens insisted that progressives must not in their disdain for America allow themselves to effectively support the perpetuation of despotism, must not betray the left's own values. Others -- notably the political philosopher Michael Walzer, the independent essayist Andrew Sullivan, New Republic writer Jonathan Chait and New York Observer columnist Ron Rosenbaum -- also made this argument with great force and clarity.

The debate is over. The left has hardened itself around the core value of a furious, permanent, reactionary opposition to the devil-state America, which stands as the paramount evil of the world and the paramount threat to the world, and whose aims must be thwarted even at the cost of supporting fascists and tyrants. Those who could not stomach this have left the left -- a few publicly, as did Hitchens and Rosenbaum, and many more, I am sure, in the privacy of their consciences.

Last weekend, the left held large antiwar marches in Washington, San Francisco and elsewhere. Major media coverage of these marches was highly respectful. This was "A Stirring in the Nation," in the words of an approving New York Times editorial, "impressive for the obvious mainstream roots of the marchers."

There is, increasingly, much that happens in the world that the Times feels its readers should be sheltered from knowing. The marches in Washington and San Francisco were chiefly sponsored, as was last October's antiwar march in Washington, by a group the Times chose to call in its only passing reference "the activist group International Answer."

International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the communist Workers World Party. The Workers World Party is, literally, a Stalinist organization. It rose out of a split within the old Socialist Workers Party over the Soviet Union's 1956 invasion of Hungary -- the breakaway Workers World Party was all for the invasion. International ANSWER today unquestioningly supports any despotic regime that lays any claim to socialism, or simply to anti-Americanism. It supported the butchers of Beijing after the slaughter of Tiananmen Square. It supports Saddam Hussein and his Baathist torture-state. It supports the last official Stalinist state, North Korea, in the mass starvation of its citizens. It supported Slobodan Milosevic after the massacre at Srebrenica. It supports the mullahs of Iran, and the narco-gangsters of Colombia and the bus-bombers of Hamas.

This is whom the left now marches with. The left marches with the Stalinists. The left marches with those who would maintain in power the leading oppressors of humanity in the world. It marches with, stands with and cheers on people like the speaker at the Washington rally who declared that "the real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America." It marches with people like the former Black Panther Charles Baron, who said in Washington, "if you're looking for an axis of evil then look in the belly of this beast."

The Times' "mainstream" Americans marched last weekend with people who held signs comparing the president and vice president of their country to Hitler, and declaring, "The difference between Bush and Saddam is that Saddam was elected," and this one: "I want you to die for Israel. Israel sings Onward Christian Soldiers."

March on.

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KEYWORDS: antiamerican; communistsupport; leftist; presscoverup; protestors
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Great editorial that was in The Daily Oklahoman this morning and finally found on the Net. Michael Kelly tells it like it is!

My bold and underline!

1 posted on 01/24/2003 9:17:13 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: Dog; Dog Gone; MeeknMing; deport; isthisnickcool; Grampa Dave; hchutch; Howlin; Miss Marple; ...
This editorial tells it like it is on the Anti-American protestors and the left as a whole which IMO is led by the clintons and their paper, The New York Times!
2 posted on 01/24/2003 9:20:14 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: PhiKapMom
RATS LOATHE ALL THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT!!!
3 posted on 01/24/2003 9:23:56 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons LOVE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE the Clintons...ergo, the RATS LOVE TERRORISTS!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Without the clintons, the NY Times would not even know what to print each day. Applause to Michael Kelly for telling it like it is!
4 posted on 01/24/2003 9:24:53 AM PST by Wait4Truth (I HATE THE MEDIA!!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Couldn't agree more! The RATs are the Anti-American Party!
5 posted on 01/24/2003 9:27:06 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Wait4Truth
That's for sure about Raines and the NY Times -- might as well change their name to the Clinton Times!
6 posted on 01/24/2003 9:28:35 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: PhiKapMom; M. Thatcher; Liz; holdonnow; Angelwood; Delphinium; sauropod; Taxman; stand watie
"International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the communist Workers World Party. The Workers World Party is, literally, a Stalinist organization. It rose out of a split within the old Socialist Workers Party over the Soviet Union's 1956 invasion of Hungary -- the breakaway Workers World Party was all for the invasion. International ANSWER today unquestioningly supports any despotic regime that lays any claim to socialism, or simply to anti-Americanism. It supported the butchers of Beijing after the slaughter of Tiananmen Square. It supports Saddam Hussein and his Baathist torture-state. It supports the last official Stalinist state, North Korea, in the mass starvation of its citizens. It supported Slobodan Milosevic after the massacre at Srebrenica. It supports the mullahs of Iran, and the narco-gangsters of Colombia and the bus-bombers of Hamas. This is whom the left now marches with. The left marches with the Stalinists. The left marches with those who would maintain in power the leading oppressors of humanity in the world. It marches with, stands with and cheers on people like the speaker at the Washington rally who declared that "the real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America."

"It marches with people like the former Black Panther Charles Baron, who said in Washington, "if you're looking for an axis of evil then look in the belly of this beast."

Osama, Sodom, and SlickWillie...the REAL AXIS OF EVIL!!

Quite Sincerely...MUD

7 posted on 01/24/2003 9:29:59 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
"The RATs are the Anti-American Party!"

Yep...to be ANTI-DemonRAT is to be PRO-America, IMHO!!

FReegards...MUD

9 posted on 01/24/2003 9:31:43 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
"More and more the pro-war side tries to paint mainstream war opponents with the brush of the stalinist minority, more and more this mainstream will stop believing otherwise rational arguments for war."

BULLSHIT!!! Please don't insult the intelligence of this Forum with yer meaningless prattle...MUD

10 posted on 01/24/2003 9:33:41 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
Might want to ask yourself why anyone in America that is not a stalinist would allow themselves to be used in this way by the anti-American movement.

Why should those of us who are pro-American and believe Saddam is a threat to the world believe what any of them have to say when they allow themselves to be duped and continue stand there and listen to this Anti-American, pro-Saddam crap coming from the speakers? Are they really duped -- doesn't seem like it from their actions.

If they truly were against the war, they would have their own rallies and not be part of the Stalinist movement that is sponsoring these rallies for every topic you can mention that is Anti-American/Anti-Bush. You act like a lemming and you will be perceived as one of them!

11 posted on 01/24/2003 9:39:02 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp; Delphinium; FreeTheHostages
"...evident to just about anyone present at the march was the disconnect between these organizers and the much more mainstream looking crowd at the march."

I was there and it was nothing like you describe...a more MORONIC Collection of Imbecile Americans I hope I NEVER see again!! There were NO MainstreamAmericans at the DeeCee ANSWER Rally...'cept fer me and Delphinium, IMHO!!

"...the poll numbers do show a LOT of caution in the american public on the topic of war."

By this time next month, ALL REAL AMERICANS Shall be celebratin' the Liberation of Iraq and the elimination of Sodom'sInsane as a viable tissue mass!! You can then go back to kvetchin' about something else!!

MUD

12 posted on 01/24/2003 9:39:12 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Your answer to that guy was much better than mine. I tried to be reasonable -- I need to take some lessons from you -- blunt and to the point!
13 posted on 01/24/2003 9:40:42 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: PhiKapMom; onetimeatbandcamp
Heh heh heh...subtle disruptor.

Whatever...MUD

14 posted on 01/24/2003 9:46:23 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
"I tried to be reasonable"

Me, too, my FRiend...MUD

15 posted on 01/24/2003 9:48:16 AM PST by Mudboy Slim ("The Clintons ARE Terrorists...The RATS LOVE TERRORISTS...ergo, the RATS LOVE the Clintons!!)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
You've got to be kidding. I watched them march by for hours, close-up, and there was nothing mainstream about these people.

Except their overall whiteness and youth, maybe.

But their signs, chants, demands, and profanity were anything but "mainstream".
16 posted on 01/24/2003 9:52:16 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Mudboy Slim
Great comeback from someone who WAS there! Always thought the crowd in the late 60's/70'2 were the scummiest folks -- looks like they have returned!
17 posted on 01/24/2003 9:53:47 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
Allow me to try..

If I were to march in an Anti-RacialQuota march, and found out that the KKK was organizing it, and participating, I would not march.

19 posted on 01/24/2003 9:59:30 AM PST by lormand
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
are people being told that Kim and Saddam are allright? and believing it? or are people being told that more money should be spent on health care and education rather than war, or that racial profiling should be stopped, or other admittedly rather empty platitutes that a lot of middle america will believe in?

People were being told that America is the real terrorist, and cheering it. Nice group to latch onto. Any real American would have walked away. Anyone who did not is a fellow-traveler as far as I'm concerned.

Furthermore, why should I care about or respect the motives of "middle Americans" who are stupid, selfish and leftist enough to cheer for idiotic slogans like "Money for jobs, not for war!" as though all that was necessary to keep people employed was to buy them all jobs. And who want to tax the hell out of productive people in order to provide "free" health care and education for everyone else. Meanwhile deriding military expenditures, which as far as I'm concerned are one of the few areas where the government is constitutionally permitted and even obliged to spend out money.

If they hold and applaud those views, they're no different than the organizers. Just unaffiliated. But after marching with them, they're certainly no longer undeclared. They took a side, and it wasn't against the war, it was against America.

20 posted on 01/24/2003 10:08:15 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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