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Why We Know Iraq Is Lying
NY Times ^ | 1/23/03 | CONDOLEEZZA RICE

Posted on 01/23/2003 10:13:29 AM PST by finnman69

Why We Know Iraq Is Lying By CONDOLEEZZA RICE

Eleven weeks after the United Nations Security Council unanimously passed a resolution demanding — yet again — that Iraq disclose and disarm all its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, it is appropriate to ask, "Has Saddam Hussein finally decided to voluntarily disarm?" Unfortunately, the answer is a clear and resounding no.

There is no mystery to voluntary disarmament. Countries that decide to disarm lead inspectors to weapons and production sites, answer questions before they are asked, state publicly and often the intention to disarm and urge their citizens to cooperate. The world knows from examples set by South Africa, Ukraine and Kazakhstan what it looks like when a government decides that it will cooperatively give up its weapons of mass destruction. The critical common elements of these efforts include a high-level political commitment to disarm, national initiatives to dismantle weapons programs, and full cooperation and transparency.

In 1989 South Africa made the strategic decision to dismantle its covert nuclear weapons program. It destroyed its arsenal of seven weapons and later submitted to rigorous verification by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Inspectors were given complete access to all nuclear facilities (operating and defunct) and the people who worked there. They were also presented with thousands of documents detailing, for example, the daily operation of uranium enrichment facilities as well as the construction and dismantling of specific weapons.

Ukraine and Kazakhstan demonstrated a similar pattern of cooperation when they decided to rid themselves of the nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles and heavy bombers inherited from the Soviet Union. With significant assistance from the United States — warmly accepted by both countries — disarmament was orderly, open and fast. Nuclear warheads were returned to Russia. Missile silos and heavy bombers were destroyed or dismantled — once in a ceremony attended by the American and Russian defense chiefs. In one instance, Kazakhstan revealed the existence of a ton of highly enriched uranium and asked the United States to remove it, lest it fall into the wrong hands.

Iraq's behavior could not offer a starker contrast. Instead of a commitment to disarm, Iraq has a high-level political commitment to maintain and conceal its weapons, led by Saddam Hussein and his son Qusay, who controls the Special Security Organization, which runs Iraq's concealment activities. Instead of implementing national initiatives to disarm, Iraq maintains institutions whose sole purpose is to thwart the work of the inspectors. And instead of full cooperation and transparency, Iraq has filed a false declaration to the United Nations that amounts to a 12,200-page lie.

For example, the declaration fails to account for or explain Iraq's efforts to get uranium from abroad, its manufacture of specific fuel for ballistic missiles it claims not to have, and the gaps previously identified by the United Nations in Iraq's accounting for more than two tons of the raw materials needed to produce thousands of gallons of anthrax and other biological weapons.

Iraq's declaration even resorted to unabashed plagiarism, with lengthy passages of United Nations reports copied word-for-word (or edited to remove any criticism of Iraq) and presented as original text. Far from informing, the declaration is intended to cloud and confuse the true picture of Iraq's arsenal. It is a reflection of the regime's well-earned reputation for dishonesty and constitutes a material breach of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441, which set up the current inspections program.

Unlike other nations that have voluntarily disarmed — and in defiance of Resolution 1441 — Iraq is not allowing inspectors "immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted access" to facilities and people involved in its weapons program. As a recent inspection at the home of an Iraqi nuclear scientist demonstrated, and other sources confirm, material and documents are still being moved around in farcical shell games. The regime has blocked free and unrestricted use of aerial reconnaissance.

The list of people involved with weapons of mass destruction programs, which the United Nations required Iraq to provide, ends with those who worked in 1991 — even though the United Nations had previously established that the programs continued after that date. Interviews with scientists and weapons officials identified by inspectors have taken place only in the watchful presence of the regime's agents. Given the duplicitous record of the regime, its recent promises to do better can only be seen as an attempt to stall for time.

Last week's finding by inspectors of 12 chemical warheads not included in Iraq's declaration was particularly troubling. In the past, Iraq has filled this type of warhead with sarin — a deadly nerve agent used by Japanese terrorists in 1995 to kill 12 Tokyo subway passengers and sicken thousands of others. Richard Butler, the former chief United Nations arms inspector, estimates that if a larger type of warhead that Iraq has made and used in the past were filled with VX (an even deadlier nerve agent) and launched at a major city, it could kill up to one million people. Iraq has also failed to provide United Nations inspectors with documentation of its claim to have destroyed its VX stockpiles.

Many questions remain about Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and arsenal — and it is Iraq's obligation to provide answers. It is failing in spectacular fashion. By both its actions and its inactions, Iraq is proving not that it is a nation bent on disarmament, but that it is a nation with something to hide. Iraq is still treating inspections as a game. It should know that time is running out.


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To: Admin Moderator
THANKS....I was thinking of "calling" you....
21 posted on 01/23/2003 10:58:15 AM PST by goodnesswins ("You're either with us, or against us!")
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To: finnman69
Yesterday, the NY Times reported on this astonishing admission: "Administration officials said their strategy was based on the belief that there might never be a 'smoking gun' proving Iraq's possession of illegal weapons" ("U.S. Set to Demand That Allies Agree Iraq Is Defying U.N.," NYTimes, 01/23/03).

What? For months the Administration has reassured us that it has secret evidence about Iraq's weapons, with many a pundit admonishing sceptics for not trusting the president. For months, the Administration has promised that the release of unequivocal evidence was coming "soon" (only a few days ago Colin Powell said we would see it by the end of this month). After all those promises, we now learn, casually, just by the way, that in fact no such evidence exists.

This admission seems worth a headline in its own right. Germany and France are digging in their heels in large part because of the absence of such evidence. Pundits across the spectrum have advised the Administration to share what it says it knows, just as Kennedy did in the Cuba missile crisis. Meanwhile, polls in this country show public support for war plummeting if the US goes in without U.N. support and without clear evidence that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction.

If the NY Times report is accurate, the Dumbya Administration has dug quite a deep hole for itself out there in the desert.

22 posted on 01/23/2003 11:36:37 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Actually, what you and the political left (including the media and the Congressional Democrats) fail to realize the is that the absence of a smoking gun IS the smoking gun. As Ms Rice said above, we know about 80-90% of their weapons program already--we're unsure on the nukes but they are only a part of the NBC spectrum. We know about much of it because WE GAVE IT TO THEM during the Iran/Iraq war.

The fact is that the burden of proof of disarmament is on Saddam. We're not looking for weapons...we know about the weapons. We're looking for proof that he has disposed of the weapons IAW U.N. resolutions.

Also, I think the administration's moves on this issue have been masterful. I think GW is stringing the Democrats along. They have seen the evidence and some have even acknowledged that GW is doing what must be done. They, however, have chosen to challenge him for their own political benefit at the expense of the nation. He's letting them have their say and, when the time is right, he will put them in their place.
23 posted on 01/23/2003 11:46:54 AM PST by pgyanke (Here's your rope...remember, the rabbit goes around the hole eight times...)
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To: MurryMom
If the NY Times report is accurate, the Dumbya Administration has dug quite a deep hole for itself out there in the desert.

It's more likely you will be eating your words shortly.

24 posted on 01/23/2003 11:48:20 AM PST by finnman69 (Bush Cheney 2004)
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To: MurryMom
If the NY Times report is accurate, the Dumbya Administration has dug quite a deep hole for itself out there in the desert.

If a NY Times report is ever accurate, I'd die from a heart attack on the spot.

25 posted on 01/23/2003 11:50:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: finnman69
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26 posted on 01/23/2003 11:51:52 AM PST by VOA
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To: MurryMom
Ok Murry calm down a bit there is noone at the N.Y Times that represents the administration or makes decisions based on military action. If we did not have overwhelming evidence then we would not have gotten overwhelming democratic support for this was. There are security councils on the hill Dem's and Republicans that would call Bush on this if these statements he made about evidence were not true. The ones (Media, Dems) that do not sit on the security council are not privvy to that information because they blab constanly as is evident here. Administration officials HA I believe as much as in this paper as I do IRAGS press reports. Cmon now!!! Do you not think this probably came from a disgruntld DEM who is not privvy to info and wants to thwart the war effort?
27 posted on 01/23/2003 12:14:35 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice
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To: finnman69
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28 posted on 01/23/2003 1:16:16 PM PST by lepton
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To: pgyanke
Actually, what you and the political left (including the media and the Congressional Democrats) fail to realize the is that the absence of a smoking gun IS the smoking gun.

LOL! I hope you are never put on trial for murder, pg.

The prosecutor would be certain to quote your words to the jury. You'd be dead meat, even with an ironclad alibi and a dozen priests and nuns as character witnesses.

29 posted on 01/23/2003 1:31:47 PM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Vis-a-vis the smoking gun, why do we even need one? Iraq's already in material breach, or hadn't you noticed?
30 posted on 01/23/2003 1:34:32 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: finnman69
Iraq's declaration even resorted to unabashed plagiarism, with lengthy passages of United Nations reports copied word-for-word (or edited to remove any criticism of Iraq) and presented as original text.

LOL! Little Dumbya and other goofy members of his administration never fail to generate lots of material for the Saturday Night Live and Politically Incorrect shows!

So when has copyright infringement become grounds for launching a missile strike? I bet Condi Rice never launched any missiles on the underclass dorms at Stanford when she discovered that some of her pupils copied papers from their classmates or from public sources.

31 posted on 01/23/2003 1:36:22 PM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Obviously her eloquently drafted editorial might have been a bit advanced for you. Her point is they have offered nothing new.

Why do you even bother to post here since FR is out of your league?
32 posted on 01/23/2003 1:39:12 PM PST by finnman69 (Bush Cheney 2004)
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To: mitchbert
BTW, thanks for the kind reply yesterday :-)

You are most welcome.

As to the anthrax issue, like you, I don't have the knowledge necessary to understand how particular strains are identified. But it doesn't take specialized knowledge to recognize that there are just too many "coincidences" connecting the 9/11 hijackers and the anthrax attacks. Yet, to our media (along with the Euro-weenies and your Prime Minister) it's as though the events of 2001 never happened.

If I had the time and money, I would thoroughly research the anthrax attacks. Re-interview AMA employees, do a Lexis-Nexis search of reportage at that time, follow the trail of the hijackers in Florida, interview the pharmacist and the doctor who saw reddened hands and black skin lesions on two of the highjackers, and so on. Then I would publish my findings. Sigh.

33 posted on 01/23/2003 2:46:43 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: MurryMom
Taking words out of context to make your point (which you failed to do) shows the depth of your argument... shallow.

The REASON the smoking gun IS the absense of the smoking gun is because the burden of proof is on Saddam Hussein. We know he had the weapons in the 80's and we know he had them in the 90's. THE POINT is that he will produce no evidence that he has destroyed said weapons IAW U.N. resolutions. Therefore, said weapons still exist and are in hiding and he is being less than forthcoming.

By not understanding what you are talking about (like the media), you propagate a false notion regarding the purpose for the inspections. We're not looking for weapons... we're looking for the evidence that they're gone.
34 posted on 01/23/2003 2:48:20 PM PST by pgyanke (Empty bravado (like a dog's bark) is a sign of the untenability of a position)
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To: MurryMom
> "So when has copyright infringement become grounds for launching a missile strike?"

Go back to DU... you're out of your league.
35 posted on 01/23/2003 2:49:35 PM PST by pgyanke (Empty bravado (like a dog's bark) is a sign of the untenability of a position)
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To: Wolfstar
the doctor who saw reddened hands and black skin lesions on two of the highjackers,

The incident that convinced me. I'm so glad you and some others saw it.

36 posted on 01/23/2003 3:48:01 PM PST by mitchbert (Facts are stubborn things)
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To: MurryMom
Deep down you know that for people who put Libyans in charge of human rights and who thought that Clinton was telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky, there IS no such thing as "a smoking gun." Nothing is good enough for the willingly blind.
37 posted on 01/23/2003 4:15:40 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Baloney is baloney, regardless of whether it's sliced from the left or the right...)
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To: MurryMom
I think you may be in the wrong place
38 posted on 01/23/2003 4:24:36 PM PST by paul51
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To: MurryMom
First, no one cares what the NY Times thinks. Second, just donate some money already, this ain't PBS.
39 posted on 01/23/2003 4:27:24 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: finnman69
If you are waiting for a socialist to admit they are wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, pack a lunch, it'll be a while.
40 posted on 01/23/2003 4:29:04 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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