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Imam 'instructed British Muslims to kill infidels' (UK HOUSE CLEANING, PART TWO)
The Times ^ | January 23, 2003 | Sam Lister

Posted on 01/22/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by MadIvan

A MUSLIM cleric toured Britain for four years urging audiences to observe the teachings of Osama bin Laden and kill all Jews, Hindus and Westerners by any means available, including chemical and nuclear weapons, a court was told yesterday.

Abdullah el-Faisal, a 39-year-old imam, addressed thousands of young Muslims across the country on their “pressing duty” to learn how to fire guns, fly planes and use missiles in their mission to “kill all unbelievers”.

The Old Bailey was told that Sheikh el-Faisal instructed his followers on ways to murder non-Muslims, a “wonderful” act that would ensure their immediate entry into paradise.

The cleric sold his recorded lectures in specialist Islamic bookshops under titles such as Jihad, No Peace with the Jews, Them and Us and Treachery from Within.

David Perry, for the prosecution, told the court that on Declaration of War and Rules of Jihad, two tapes recorded before September 11, 2001, the sheikh called on his audience to support bin Laden and Mullah Omar, then the leader of Afghanistan, in their jihad against the West.

Mr Perry said that in the first of the two tapes, believed to have been made in 1998, Sheikh el-Faisal had translated a speech by bin Laden which urged his listeners to act against Britain, “the greatest enemy of Islam and Muslims”.

Sheikh el-Faisal, of Stratford, East London, denies five charges of soliciting to commit murder and inciting racial hatred under the Offences Against the Person Act, a rarely used Victorian law which carries a maximum term of life imprisonment.

Just for old times' sake, we should put him in the Tower, too - Ivan

He faces two further charges of using threatening, abusive words or behaviour, one charge of distributing recordings, and one count of possession of material with the intent to incite racial hatred.

The court was told that the softly spoken cleric encouraged his audiences, which often numbered up to 150 people, to join him in debate.

In Jihad, a tape recovered by police after the unrelated arrest of a motorist in Dorset, the sheikh is alleged to have instructed Muslim women to raise their children “with the jihad mentality” by giving them toy guns.

Reminding the jury that the tape had been made shortly after September 11, Mr Perry added that the defendant had stated that “assassination was lawful” and that a Muslim’s primary task was “to lessen the population of the unbelievers”.

In another tape he is alleged to have described the rewards of such an action, saying: “This is how wonderful it is to kill a kuffar (an unbeliever). You crawl on his back and while you are pushing him down into the hellfire, you are going into paradise.”

Asked about the use of nuclear weapons by one young Muslim, Sheikh el-Faisal allegedly replies: “You are not allowed to use nuclear weapons when a country is not 100 per cent disbeliever”, adding that collateral damage, such as to women and children, was permitted “as long as soldiers die too”. The court was told that he cited India as a country deserving of nuclear attack.

The court was told that Sheikh el-Faisal, a Jamaican national, was born William Forest to a Salvation Army family of practising Christians. He converted to Islam at the age of 16 and took a degree in Islamic Studies in Riyadh.

On the instruction of “religious authorities” he then left the Saudi capital to come to Britain, where he attended Brixton Mosque in South London before setting up his own study circles in the mid-1990s in Tower Hamlets.

The prosecution told the court that in police interviews Sheikh el-Faisal had admitted that he had a “problem” with Jews, but had denied encouraging his audiences to kill them. The cleric claimed that his talks came “either directly or indirectly” from the Koran, and that if he was on trial, then so was the holy text.

“The prosecution says that this is emphatically not about the Koran, or a trial of the Koran,” Mr Perry said. “This case is not about the words of Allah. It is about the words spoken by the defendant.”

The bearded cleric, dressed in a white skull-cap, flycollared shirt and gold-braided gown, sat in silence throughout the hearing, taking occasional notes.

Before the opening of the trial, Judge Peter Beaumont, QC, the Common Serjeant of London, decided to ban Jews and Hindus from serving as jurors after Sheikh el-Faisal’s lawyers said that their presence would prevent him from receiving a fair trial. The trial is expected to last three weeks.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; clashofcivilizatio; imam; islam; uk
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Just more from the Religion of Peace - I am glad we are starting to clean house, but there is so much more left to do.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 01/22/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 01/22/2003 3:38:41 PM PST by MadIvan
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3 posted on 01/22/2003 3:40:25 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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4 posted on 01/22/2003 3:43:14 PM PST by Alouette
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I only wish our own authorities had the cajones to take a peek in a few select Mosques (with reason, of course). I am GLAD to read this-glad it is out-and hope that jerk gets a belly full of the false paradise he promises to others.
5 posted on 01/22/2003 3:43:31 PM PST by Republic
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A MUSLIM cleric toured Britain for four years urging audiences to observe the teachings of Osama bin Laden and kill all Jews, Hindus and Westerners by any means available, including chemical and nuclear weapons, a court was told yesterday.

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6 posted on 01/22/2003 3:43:49 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: MadIvan
The court was told that Sheikh el-Faisal, a Jamaican national, was born William Forest to a Salvation Army family of practising Christians. He converted to Islam at the age of 16 and took a degree in Islamic Studies in Riyadh.

Do we know whether he ever met Richard Reid? Don't we know that Reid attended Abu Hamza's mosque?

In other news today, Jamaican sniper Lee Malvo was indicted for capital murder by a grand jury in Fairfax County, Virginia. For that matter, Malvo and John Muhammad lived a long time in the Pacific Northwest, where people like James Ujaama, who associated with Abu Hamza in London, also lived.

7 posted on 01/22/2003 3:50:31 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Republic
I only wish our own authorities had the cajones to take a peek in a few select Mosques
(with reason, of course).


Fortunately we have the First Amendment, which has allowed journalists like
Steven ("Jihad In America") Emerson to expose this pernicious Islamic peril on our shores.

Emerson's description of how he accidentally stumbled into a Jihad convention at the
convention center in Oklahoma City on XMAS day 1993 (IIRC) freaked me out...
I worked for six years about 5-10 blocks from the place...
8 posted on 01/22/2003 4:00:22 PM PST by VOA
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To: MadIvan
Before the opening of the trial, Judge Peter Beaumont, QC, the Common Serjeant of London, decided to ban Jews and Hindus from serving as jurors after Sheikh el-Faisal’s lawyers said that their presence would prevent him from receiving a fair trial. The trial is expected to last three weeks.





This is the scary part.

"And So your honor, only a jury of God fearing Muslims can give the defendants a fair hearing."
9 posted on 01/22/2003 4:04:59 PM PST by tet68
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No, Christians will be on the jury.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 01/22/2003 4:06:08 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: VOA
That would have been a spooky coincidence-to think of such a gathering only blocks from yourself!

Emerson-has he actually gained entrance into Mosques? I am very interested in his book...and also the location of the Jihad convention, date, etc since the bombing happened there. Weird.

11 posted on 01/22/2003 4:21:40 PM PST by Republic
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To: MadIvan
Abdullah el-Faisal, a 39-year-old imam, addressed thousands of young Muslims across the country on their “pressing duty” to learn how to fire guns, fly planes and use missiles in their mission to “kill all unbelievers”.

and yet many more Americans wish to learn more of this ... go figure ...
12 posted on 01/22/2003 4:25:07 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: MadIvan
The destruction of Britain by the Islamic entente will signal a tragic end to a thousand years of Anglo hegemonism in Europe. The UK is extremely vulnerable to the coming WMD strike on London and subsequent fifth columnist Muslim uprising. What Napoleon and Hitler were unable to do with brute force across the Channel, Islamic entente forces will accomplish with infiltration and a Tet style offensive that opens a new front in The Third World War.

With tens of thousands of British troops steaming toward the Gulf to join America in destroying Iraq, Blair has left the homeland undefended. Much as Los Angeles police were outgunned in a West Coast gun battle in the States several years ago, British police officers will be unable to stand up to AK-47 wielding, grenade throwing, Muslim fighters in the streets of London. This attack, combined with the fallout of the WMD strike, will take several days if not a week to contain -- during which much of the UK's economic infrastructure will be destroyed.

Should a general uprising then be ignited, there is a strong possibility that this theatre will collapse the US attack on Iraq as left wing peaceniks around the globe rally to the Islamic entente cause.

Blair must unleash his security forces immediately -- while there is still time to head off this attack. This is no time for faint hearts to delicately prepare the tea...

May the Christian god have mercy on the UK...

The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.

13 posted on 01/22/2003 4:36:23 PM PST by Fusion
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To: MadIvan
In Jihad, .......the sheikh is alleged to have instructed Muslim women to raise their children “with the jihad mentality” by giving them toy guns.

Meanwhile, our 'useful idiots' are trying to eliminate toy guns.

14 posted on 01/22/2003 5:23:28 PM PST by expatpat
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To: MadIvan
"Before the opening of the trial, Judge Peter Beaumont QC, the common serjeant of London decided to ban Jews and Hindus from serving as jurors after Sheikhel el Faisal's lawyer said that their presence would prevent him from recieving a fair trial"


Allah forbid this terrorist not recieve a fair trial!! Here's a question to ponder.....who do you think would win if Jesus and Allah were to wrestle?
15 posted on 01/22/2003 6:34:14 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: MadIvan; *Clash of Civilizatio
the defendant had stated that “assassination was lawful” and that a Muslim’s primary task was “to lessen the population of the unbelievers”.

The term is genocide.

Jihad=genocide. Easy equation.

16 posted on 01/22/2003 6:45:00 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Fusion
British police officers will be unable to stand up to AK-47 wielding, grenade throwing, Muslim fighters in the streets of London.

No way! That kind of heavy iron is outlawed over there,

17 posted on 01/22/2003 6:47:59 PM PST by oyez (Is this a great country...........Or what?)
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The Western World is very foolish to allow savages to use their laws of free speech and freedom of religion to be used against the people living there. The people of the Western nations need to get rid of all who want violence and Jihad.
18 posted on 01/22/2003 6:48:20 PM PST by tessalu
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To: Fusion
Greg, your mental illness is getting worse.

Fusion's Fractured Fairy Tale

20 posted on 01/22/2003 6:54:40 PM PST by denydenydeny
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