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1 posted on 01/22/2003 1:16:09 PM PST by FenianOfEire
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from a previous thread,

If anyone is interested in calling Mr. Dumbass (Iven Dumas) then here is a link to the contact page, http://www.state.nj.us/military/cemetery/general.html
2 posted on 01/22/2003 1:17:24 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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3 posted on 01/22/2003 1:19:33 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: FenianOfEire
This is the saddest thing. May the tattle tales rot in hell.
4 posted on 01/22/2003 1:28:03 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: PaulNYC; tsomer; Mixer; MattinNJ; OceanKing; TomT in NJ; Coleus; agrace; Alberta's Child; ...
The New Jersey National Guard's brass believes that Jews and Muslims don't believe in God? C'mon already, this is ridiculous.
5 posted on 01/22/2003 10:17:06 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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6 posted on 01/22/2003 10:20:48 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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"....If anyone is interested in calling Mr. Dumbass (Iven Dumas)....."

Yes. It looks like he has an appropriate last name.

7 posted on 01/22/2003 11:18:20 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: FenianOfEire
Dumas replied that the blessing could offend Jews and Muslims

Who also believe in a God. This is rubbish. I posted my protest through that website to Mr Dumbas*

9 posted on 01/23/2003 8:52:04 AM PST by Terriergal ("It's for the common good dontcha know!")
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"I was proud to serve the veterans who have served us," said Cubbage, who in 2001 reenlisted in the New Jersey National Guard just so that he could be the first enlisted man to salute his son, Adam, when he became an Army officer.

Adam Cubbage is now a captain in the 108th Air Squadron - his father's unit in the Vietnam War.

Great end to the article.

10 posted on 01/23/2003 10:08:30 AM PST by agrace
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To: FenianOfEire
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"The al-Qaida network is not America's most dangerous enemy.
To fight only the al-Qaida enemy is to miss the terrorist network operating within our own borders. Who are these traitors? Every rotten, radical left-winger in this country, that's who."
-- Michael Savage

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12 posted on 01/23/2003 11:56:52 PM PST by ppaul
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To: FenianOfEire
Bump for outrage.

The Book of Romans says we are to obey our Government authority--but it says first we are to obey God Himself.

13 posted on 01/24/2003 12:16:27 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: FenianOfEire
This is beyond words.
15 posted on 01/24/2003 1:06:37 AM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: FenianOfEire
What the f**k has happened to this country, anyway????????
26 posted on 01/24/2003 4:45:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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Rotten and STUPID!!!!
28 posted on 01/24/2003 5:36:43 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: FenianOfEire
End of day BTTT for Patrick Cubbage.. God Bless you sir! I SALUTE you !!
31 posted on 01/24/2003 5:00:50 PM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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At 2:50 p.m. EST, Fox News Channel gave a Live Report on this story, explaining it all.

They had called the Governor of New Jersey, and he corrected the situation, ordering the man restored to his position!

They announced they will interview the Governor on Fox (FNC) at 4 p.m. EST today!

V-I-C-T-O-R-Y !!!

32 posted on 01/25/2003 12:00:15 PM PST by LadyX ((((( Semper Fi )))))
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To: FenianOfEire; BeforeISleep; SAMWolf; ExSoldier; davidosborne; Alamo-Girl; snippy_about_it; ...
Honor Guard Gets Job Back With State's 'Blessing'
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Evening Editor
August 11, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - An honor guardsman who was fired last year by the New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs for offering religious blessings at funerals is returning to work Monday with back pay, though there's still some confusion as to when he can say "God bless you" to veterans' families.

"I'm glad it's over - well, I hope it's over," said Patrick Cubbage, a 54-year-old Vietnam veteran and former police officer from Philadelphia who worked part time as an honor guard at the Brig. Gen. William C. Doyle Veterans' Memorial Cemetery in Burlington County, N.J.

Cubbage's supervisors fired him last October because he finished flag presentations with the words, "God bless you and this family, and God bless the United States of America."

The Rutherford Institute, a nonprofit civil liberties organization based in Charlottesville, Va., came to Cubbage's defense, with institute President John Whitehead serving as his attorney.

The matter received national attention, and the state offered in late January to give Cubbage his job back, a proposal he rejected as "inadequate."

On July 29, however, Cubbage reached a settlement with the New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs that Whitehead called "precedent setting."

Not only does Cubbage return to his post, but he also receives 10 months' back pay. And most importantly, honor guards "must now ask the families [of the deceased] if they want the religious service," according to the agreement.

"Before, they could do it," Whitehead said. "Now, they have to do it."

However, Lt. Col. Roberta Niedt, a public affairs officer in the department, said she thought the blessing might be allowed only at Air Force interment ceremonies.

Niedt admitted that she had not read the settlement, but her understanding was that the cemetery's interment officer "must follow the standards set forth by each of the military departments. The Department of the Army has its protocol, as does the Department of the Air Force, the Navy, the Coast Guard, and the Marines. Each of those comes with a standard phrase."

Still, the issue of whether all five branches of service allow the same blessing is much less significant than the problems Cubbage faced at the beginning of the controversy.

Hired during October of 2001, Cubbage participated in about 2,000 burial services. As part of his regular ceremonial duties, Cubbage presented a folded U.S. flag to the deceased's next of kin.

In accordance with protocol, Cubbage would say: "This flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation and the United States Army as a token of appreciation for your loved one's honorable and faithful service."

Cubbage also regularly said: "God bless you and this family, and God bless the United States of America."

After other honor guards objected to the religious blessing, a supervisor approached Cubbage and told him the blessing could no longer be given unless the deceased's family formally requested it.

Cubbage was fired Oct. 31 after he offered a blessing - even though the deceased's family said they would welcome it.

Cubbage said he got the words from the Flag Presentation Protocol given to him by the Department of Defense when he started his job.

The New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs issued a letter backing up Cubbage's use of the words "God bless" if the next of kin had expressed a religious preference or belief.

Whitehead said the issue escalated because, in today's cultural climate, God and the mention of God are politically incorrect.

Now, however, Cubbage said he expected to work out any final details on his responsibilities when he reports for duty back at the Doyle Cemetery. "They'll give me all the particulars when I get there," he said.

Whitehead said he would be interested to see what happens when Cubbage returns to work. "It's clear what they have to do," he said. "If they don't, they can get sued again."

http://www.cnsnews.com/Pentagon/Archive/200301/PEN20030128a.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon.asp?Page=/Pentagon/archive/200308/PEN20030811a.html
http://www.rutherford.org/
http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/press_release.asp?article_id=440
38 posted on 08/11/2003 10:03:39 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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