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Next generation will inherit our huge war debt
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 01/15/03 | RONALD BROWNSTEIN

Posted on 01/15/2003 8:25:54 PM PST by optimistically_conservative

Old question: What did you do in the war, daddy?

New answer: I pocketed a large tax cut, honey.

Pause.

And then I passed the bill for the war onto you.

That, essentially, is the generational transaction established by the sweeping tax cut President Bush proposed last week. The proposal commits Bush to a goal unprecedented in U.S. history: cutting taxes in wartime.

Forget guns and butter: Bush is now offering bombs and caviar.

That's an odd combination, as Bush demonstrated in the speech last week when he announced his plan. First he emphasized the threat that international terrorism poses to U.S. security and somberly declared that this is a "time of war."

Then he proposed a good-time economic plan that would shower Americans with $674 billion in tax breaks over the next decade -- at a time when the federal budget has fallen back into deficit and faces irresistible demands for more spending on defense and homeland security. The unavoidable result will be bigger federal deficits and a larger national debt, which amounts to shifting the cost of defending the nation onto our children.

With this push to slash taxes during wartime, Bush broke from 140 years of history under presidents of both parties. In every major conflict the United States has fought since the Civil War (and some minor ones), Washington has raised taxes to pay for war.

Americans are never particularly happy about paying higher taxes. But we have always accepted heavier burdens as the price those at home pay to support those under fire on the front. As one economist wrote during World War I: "Patriotism can often be translated into dollars and cents -- in fact, the material side of patriotism is often quite as important as the spiritual side."

The income tax and the inheritance tax (which Bush is trying to eliminate) were signed into law by Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, to help pay for the Civil War. As journalist Steven R. Weisman recounts in his engaging recent book, "The Great Tax Wars," by the time the war ended, Congress had imposed a top income tax rate of 10 percent on all incomes over $5,000. The inheritance tax, he writes, "passed Congress with little debate because of the widespread demand in the North for sacrifice, especially from the wealthy."

After the war, both taxes were eventually allowed to lapse. But to pay for the Spanish-American War, President McKinley -- also a Republican -- signed into law an excise tax on petroleum and sugar companies and reinstated the inheritance tax. To fund the country's entry into World War I, President Wilson -- a Democrat -- massively increased the number of Americans subject to the income tax and raised the top rate from 7 percent to 77 percent.

Congress cut taxes during the 1920s. But when the nation fought World War II, Americans reached into their pockets again. Once more, the number of Americans subject to the income tax soared (from 4 million to nearly 43 million) and the top rate rose to 91 percent.

Taxes increased again to fund the Korean War; even in Vietnam, President Johnson belatedly imposed a war surtax on incomes.

The war against terrorism or a possible return match against Iraq won't demand nearly as many resources as World Wars I or II, or even Vietnam and Korea. But these tests will still impose significant burdens on the government.

By 2005, Bush wants to spend at least $100 billion a year more on defense than President Clinton proposed in his final budget; a war in Iraq would add to that bill. At the same time, Bush has proposed to spend $38 billion on homeland security this year. And even those commitments, the administration concluded in a homeland security plan last summer, "must be viewed as down payments to cover the most immediate security vulnerabilities."

As Weisman writes, when Wilson urged higher taxes in World War I, he stressed the nation's obligation not to burden future generations with the war's cost through excessive borrowing: "The industry of this generation should pay the bills of this generation," he said. Bush seems to be ignoring that lesson.

By proposing large new tax cuts when Washington is already in deficit and facing growing costs for defense, Bush is threatening an explosive growth in the national debt. When Bush took office, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Washington would eliminate the publicly held national debt by 2008 -- so long as the government fulfilled the pledge Bush and Al Gore each made in the 2000 presidential campaign to apply the surplus temporarily accumulating in Social Security toward paying down that debt.

But Bush abandoned that promise under the pressure of recession, the war on terrorism and the cost of his $1.35 trillion tax cut of 2001. Even before Bush's new proposals, the CBO had estimated that Washington would need to divert more than $2 trillion from the Social Security surplus to operate the rest of government through 2012. With that money no longer available for debt reduction, CBO projected that the debt would rise to $3.8 trillion by 2008.

The further tax cuts Bush proposed last week will only deepen that hole. Because the operating side of the federal budget is already deeply in deficit, every penny of Bush's new tax cut would have to come from taxes raised for Social Security or by increasing the national debt. The Democratic staff on the Senate Budget Committee has estimated that if the new Bush tax cut plan passes, as well as the prescription-drug plan for senior citizens he has endorsed, the national debt will balloon to $4.8 trillion in 2008 -- the year the CBO initially projected the debt could be eliminated.

More debt means higher interest costs for the government, which means higher taxes on future generations. It all amounts to Americans voting themselves a tax cut and letting their children pay for defending the country through a larger national debt. Surely Woodrow Wilson better captured the nation's spirit when he said, as the bullets flew in World War I, that Americans "know the war must be paid for and that it is they who must pay for it, and if the burden is justly distributed they will carry it cheerfully and with a sort of solemn pride."

Ronald Brownstein is a Los Angeles Times national political correspondent.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budget; debt; iraq; liarsgotohell; nozerosumgain; repentbrownstein; taxcut; war
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To: SandRat
True. But the debt and interest payments on that debt where not at near the levels they are now.

FY 2001 Interest payments: $332,536,958,599.42
FY 2002 Interest payments: $359,507,635,242.41

We have also not had the debt level go down in about 30 years. Just check out http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
21 posted on 01/15/2003 9:11:20 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: DensaMensa
Debt level in 1950: $257,357,352,351.04
Debt level in 2000: $5,674,178,209,886.86

That is an increase of 2200% in just 50 years.
Source: http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
22 posted on 01/15/2003 9:14:15 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: optimistically_conservative
If you do warfare the way Jenghis Khan did it, it's possible to MAKE money at it...
23 posted on 01/15/2003 9:16:36 PM PST by merak
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To: Let's Roll
If we are successful, the next gneration will inherit our freedom.
24 posted on 01/15/2003 9:19:33 PM PST by diode
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To: diode
Which they will not be able to enjoy because the will be working 2 jobs each to pay for social security/the debt.

I still do not understand why NO ONE every cuts the level of the debt. It has went up for 30+ straight years.
25 posted on 01/15/2003 9:23:58 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: Karsus
Normalize the numbers to account for the difference in time, the properly allocate those expenses which are for the war and those which are due to other reasons, then try again.
26 posted on 01/15/2003 9:25:03 PM PST by DensaMensa
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To: diode; RJayneJ; rintense; JohnHuang2
What a wonderful post!
27 posted on 01/15/2003 9:26:53 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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To: Karsus
Your right. It should be paid down.
28 posted on 01/15/2003 9:26:59 PM PST by diode
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To: Karsus
Hey, I finally figured out who you are from looking at your other posts.

The Doomsday Prophet!

29 posted on 01/15/2003 9:27:45 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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To: Nick Danger
LOL
30 posted on 01/15/2003 9:29:16 PM PST by weikel
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To: DensaMensa
First, debt is debt. Second, after WWII the interest payments on the debt where not the seconds largest item in the budget.

From http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-20-97.html

"Or consider the aftermath of World War II (1945-1951). Federal expenditures were sliced in half, from $92.7 billion to $45.5 billion. By 1950 total taxes were sliced by 15 percent, though the tax burden was still much higher than it had been before the war. The federal government ran healthy budget surpluses in four of the five post-World War II years."

If, after WWII, the goverment could run a surplus, why can't it now?
31 posted on 01/15/2003 9:29:18 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: optimistically_conservative
What did you do in the Gulf War of 2003 Daddy?

Well, honey, I sat on my priveledged fat a** and complained about the cost of war, the right wing kooks and our president because he didn't represent my Democrap Party. Thousands of us brave liberals spoke up, enough to swing public opinion so that America equivocated again, and the UN allowed terrorism to flourish because they also hate America. When the small nuclear bombs blasted New York, Atlanta and Hollywood, we true liberals tried to contact the muslims to show them we were sensitive to their cause.

Alas, as we sit here in our Infidel Camp awaiting execution, you should be proud of Daddy, he did not succomb to the hate speech of the right wing. Stand proud as they kill you.

32 posted on 01/15/2003 9:29:49 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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To: Howlin
These are FACTS. HARD FACTS. How can you argue with them? I posted links to back up all my data.

34 posted on 01/15/2003 9:30:29 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: diode
Thank you. I also think the current GWB tax cut is too small. It should be much bigger. But goverment spending should be cut by $1.20 for every $1.00 of the tax cut.

35 posted on 01/15/2003 9:31:58 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: Karsus
I have no intention of aruging any of them.

I was merely commenting on the fact that you seem to be quite a miserable person, as nothing seems to suit you.

36 posted on 01/15/2003 9:33:23 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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To: optimistically_conservative
More problematic is that this generation inherited all the ways in which the former presidency lacked responsibility and patriotism. Greater burden is that the regimes of the world now want to combat the freedoms of the USA, and they are doing it with the help rendered to them by former leaders of our land. Yes, this generation and the next have a lot to deal with because of the sins of the politicians that took their positions of power without accountability.
37 posted on 01/15/2003 9:34:14 PM PST by Hila
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To: optimistically_conservative

I totally hate these confusing titles to the news articles.
38 posted on 01/15/2003 9:34:59 PM PST by Andy from Beaverton
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To: Mariner
I dont know about you, but I was dragged kicking and screaming,obviously against my (our) will to be the lone superpower in charge of righting all wrongs in the world, and also required to pay for them.

Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.

If all the ills of the world are the fault of the USA, than by God, give us 30 days and we will fix them!

I have neighbors who have 6 and 7 figure incomes.I would not dream of asking them to pay to repair my screendoor for free.

I am obviously not a socialist.

If the world wants the USA to "fix" the worlds problems, for free,they have obviously missed economics 101.

39 posted on 01/15/2003 9:35:26 PM PST by sarasmom (<p>)
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To: Howlin
Sorry if I actually care about what type of world/govement my kids have when they grow up.


I am a very happy person, nor do I worry about much. Having our elected officials lie to us all the time about the debt does, however, does worry me quite a lot.

If the facts bother you just go back into you little world where everything is OK and the politicians always tell us the truth.
40 posted on 01/15/2003 9:37:58 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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