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Fortunes of a president hard to read at midterm: Three historical scenarios
page A3 of the Boston Globe ^ | 1.14.03 | David M. Shribman, Globe Columnist

Posted on 01/14/2003 7:21:56 AM PST by rface

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON - One story line from the capital: President Bush will have a good war, his economic offensive shows that he will avoid the domestic traps that caught his father, his popularity will remain high, and he will roll to a second term in 2004.


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I am getting a little nervous - not because of this article, but because of the undercurrents I am feeling...

I am still optimistic because I think this is the right approach - the remarkable thing about the Bush administration is that it is on the offensive, not on the defensive....

Ashland, Missouri

1 posted on 01/14/2003 7:21:56 AM PST by rface
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 7:22:54 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: rface
(when popular Bill Clinton withstood a feeble challenge from Bob Dole).

Yes, the Impeached Rapist was SO popular he pulled in a whopping 49% of the vote.

3 posted on 01/14/2003 7:29:08 AM PST by Coop
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To: rface
Shribman does not make it clear if Johnson was popular two years after taking over from Kennedy, or two years after being reelected in 1964. If it is the latter, as I assume, then he had already faced nearly four years of protest over the Viet Nam war, a protest that would come to a head in 1967. He was a know and increasingly disliked commodity.

Johnson's high approval ratings reflected his "War on Poverty", but neither he nor Bush can escape the consequences of an unpopular war. Bush knows that and the Iraq business will not be a long drawn-out affair run from the White House with a automaton running the Department of Defense.

4 posted on 01/14/2003 7:36:48 AM PST by gaspar
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To: rface
I don't really see a need to be nervous. President Bush could barely achieve a majority approval rating in 2001 prior to the cowardly terrorist attacks, yet he still won. Since then he has solidified himself as a leader, his approval ratings are higher despite a sluggish economy and constant negative press, and he actually gained about seven electoral votes from redistricting.

So, in my view, his challenge is to hang on to FL, NH, AR and WV. If he does that, he wins. Or if he loses one or two of those states, he just needs to win some competitive states like WI, NM, IA, OR, WA, PA or MI. Losing Florida would make things much tougher, though, so you can bet that little brother will be working hard (again) to deliver that state.

If the economy improves, as I expect it will, Bush will win. And I don't expect a war with Iraq to affect him much either way.

5 posted on 01/14/2003 7:37:46 AM PST by Coop
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To: rface
The White House is playing a form of political hardball not seen in this city since, well, the Nixon years.

Is this the new strategy?
George W. Bush is an airhead like Ronald Reagan. Oops! Didn't work.
George W. Bush is weak, like his father was weak. Oops! Didn't work.
George W. Bush is a evil, dictatorial socio-path like Nixon. Waiting ... waiting ...

6 posted on 01/14/2003 7:38:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Coop
U.S. Social Security for Mexicans? Another good idea from the Bush administration. Vote REPUBLICAN
7 posted on 01/14/2003 7:49:08 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: rface
The press always play up the economy as the paramount issue, it's usually unforseen factors, and how the president reacts to them that doom him.

Nixon: Watergate may not have doomed him if he didn't try a coverup,came out and apologized profusely.

Carter: He had a miserable economy but it was the Iran hostage crisis that drove his numbers into the dirt.

Bush Senior: He made "read my lips" the centerpiece of his campaign and committed the biggest political blunder since Watergate when he broke that promise.

8 posted on 01/14/2003 8:00:46 AM PST by Brett66
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To: Coop
So, in my view, his challenge is to hang on to FL, NH, AR and WV. If he does that, he wins. Or if he loses one or two of those states, he just needs to win some competitive states like WI, NM, IA, OR, WA, PA or MI. Losing Florida would make things much tougher, though, so you can bet that little brother will be working hard (again) to deliver that state.

New York is very winnable. Especially, unfortunately, if Bush picks Guliani for veep. The Dems can't win any national election without NY.

9 posted on 01/14/2003 8:15:37 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
I disagree. NY could possibly be won, but it is hardly "very winnable." If Dubya does win NY then he will be enjoying a powerful electoral landslide.

By the way, President Bush already has a Vice President - Dick Cheney.

10 posted on 01/14/2003 8:24:22 AM PST by Coop
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To: Coop
1) NY just re-elected a Republican Govenor.
2) NYC has had a Republican mayor for a decade.
3) Republican Convention will be held in NYC and focus on National Security which has suddenly become the most important issue to NYC residents.
4) Rev. Al will take a disproportionate # of black votes in NYC

5) Chaney's out. Bank on it. The question is "who replaces him?"
11 posted on 01/14/2003 8:36:19 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: rface
President Bush started out with three mistakes which are now coming home to roost. (1) He ignored Israel/Palestine and we got war. (2) He ignored the economy and now needs a 10 year plan and huge deficits to fix it. (3) He ignored NK and now faces a war threat.

What he did not realize is that problems won't go away if you ignore them. Fortunately for the country he now has solutions for these problems. If the solutions work he will have clear sailing. If not, ???

(however he might keep checking the rest of the world and make sure small problems don't develop into big ones)

12 posted on 01/14/2003 8:37:41 AM PST by ex-snook
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To: WaveThatFlag
1) NY just re-elected a Republican Govenor.

Who has moved so far left he's crowding Lenin.

2) NYC has had a Republican mayor for a decade.

There's also a big difference in ideology between Giuliani and Bush. And Bloomberg was a Dem until about a week before the election (exaggeration for effect).

3) Republican Convention will be held in NYC and focus on National Security which has suddenly become the most important issue to NYC residents.

2000 GOP convention was in Philly. Bush lost PA.

4) Rev. Al will take a disproportionate # of black votes in NYC

I doubt it, if party leaders even allow him to still be in the race by then.

5) Chaney's out. Bank on it. The question is "who replaces him?"

I'd perhaps put more stock in your declaration if you at least could spell the VP's name correctly. I can't even begin to imagine why the President would want to replace such a valuable asset.

Gore won NY with 60% of the popular vote in 2000, and the Impeached Rapist pulled the same percentage in NY in '96.

13 posted on 01/14/2003 8:51:06 AM PST by Coop
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To: ex-snook
Oh, gimme a break! Bush was not ignoring those problems, ESPECIALLY the economy. No President wanting to win re-election would ignore that. He just happened to be a bit busy with other priorities.
14 posted on 01/14/2003 8:54:21 AM PST by Coop
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To: Coop
"He just happened to be a bit busy with other priorities. "

Basically I'm in agreement with you. Up to now Bush could only do one thing at a time. His biggest priority was to reach out to black, Jewish, Hispanic and women voters to increase the GOP base. Maybe Chaney was to take care of Israel/Palestine, North Korea and the economy. I think Bush took care of his end.

15 posted on 01/14/2003 9:06:38 AM PST by ex-snook
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To: Coop
Who has moved so far left he's crowding Lenin.

You condescending attitude needs no work. You've got it down. However, if you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed that I'm on your side:

From my original post: New York is very winnable. Especially, unfortunately, if Bush picks Guliani for veep. The Dems can't win any national election without NY.

I live in NY & I know Rudy personally. His heart is in the right place, but he's a shameless liberal on many social issues. He is as far right as you are ever going to get out of NY, but he's terrible on a national level.

Sharpton is going to do what he wants to to regardless of what "party leaders" want. He's looking for a cabinet post. His candidacy will devote a lot of time to trashing the democratic candidate. It won't swing black votes to Bush, but it will encourage blacks to avoid the polls.

I can't even begin to imagine why the President would want to replace such a valuable asset.

Again, agreed. But the VP is not a healthy man. I'm guessing he might step down on his own.

2000 GOP convention was in Philly. Bush lost PA.

That's right! I completely forgot that PA was Cheney's home state. Reading comprehension: Look into it.

16 posted on 01/14/2003 9:56:17 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
You condescending attitude needs no work. You've got it down. However, if you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed that I'm on your side:

I answer your post point by point, and you accuse me of not only being condescending, but not reading your post at all. Very interesting approach.

2000 GOP convention was in Philly. Bush lost PA.

That's right! I completely forgot that PA was Cheney's home state. Reading comprehension: Look into it.

:-D Well, this one's definitely out in left field. I'll take a stab and guess that you mean Giuliani as VP, not the convention, would deliver NY to Bush. Yet my comment was in response to your item #3, which made no mention of Rudy.

3) Republican Convention will be held in NYC and focus on National Security which has suddenly become the most important issue to NYC residents.

2000 GOP convention was in Philly. Bush lost PA.

See? I did read your post. [sweet smile]

Please don't attack, without foundation, my reading comprehension skills because you have a weak argument and/or flawed reasoning.

17 posted on 01/14/2003 10:35:14 AM PST by Coop
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To: Coop
I answer your post point by point, and you accuse me of not only being condescending, but not reading your post at all. Very interesting approach.

Three possibilities: (1) You didn't read my post, (2)You DO have a comprehension problem, (3) You enjoy being irrelevant. Which is it?

I say Guliani is a bad idea: You disagree, and tell me why Guliani is a bad idea.

And your attempted counterpunch that accuses me of having "hav[ing] a weak argument and/or flawed reasoning," also misses. Guliani's popularity was a big part of getting the convention to New York. Wether he is on the ticket or not, he is going to be a HUGE part of the convention, and the most important campaigner/fundraiser in NY. The Republicans did not have anybody of his stature in PA, so your example was irrelevant.

I trust that you already saw the flaws in your other counterpoints (Rev Al et al), which is why you let them go. Let the rest of it go as well. You are wrong. NY is winnable for the Republican party. This argument is not winnable for you.

18 posted on 01/14/2003 10:50:20 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: ex-snook
If you go back and read articles over the last 2 1/2 years, you will find statements and policy on all three of the issues that you claim the President ignored.

1. The only aspect of the Israeli-Palestinian mess that was ignored was Yassir Arafat, who should be ignored. Sharon was one of the first leaders to visit the White House after Bush was elected.

2. The President and Vice President Cheney (note it is spelled with an "e" not an "a") were discussing the slowdown in the economy even before taking office. This is why he pushed for the tax cut, talked about energy and submitted a plan, and instituted reforms in the SEC.

3. North Korea has been on the agenda for at least a year. *See "Axis of Evil" speech.) The inclusion of North Korea in the axis must have been based on evidence prior to that speech. The situation was not being ignored.

19 posted on 01/14/2003 11:02:02 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
"If you go back and read articles over the last 2 1/2 years, you will find statements and policy on all three of the issues that you claim the President ignored. "

Sorry, I have no idea of any helpful statements. Clinton got a 95% solution and it's about zero since Bush. The economy was off the debate board when both Bush and Clinton saw unlimited properity for as far as the eye could see. On NK, the Bush policy was not to talk with them.

Bush's efforts (or lack) has exacerbated problems in all three areas. I think he has caught on now.

20 posted on 01/14/2003 11:28:30 AM PST by ex-snook ("over next 10 years" Saddam is no threat. After that he will die of old age.)
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