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Britain urges US to delay war until autumn (SHAME, SHAME ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 9, 2003 | Anton La Guardia and George Jones

Posted on 01/08/2003 4:57:05 PM PST by MadIvan

Britain is pressing for war against Iraq to be delayed for several months, possibly until the autumn, to give weapons inspectors more time to provide clear evidence of new violations by Saddam Hussein.

I can't begin to describe how unspeakably angry I am at Blair for this - Saddam should be dead already - I don't care if Blair has problems with left wingers in his party, it is the right thing to do - Ivan

Ministers and senior officials believe that there is no clear legal case for military action despite the build-up of American and British forces in the Gulf.

Senior diplomats have told the Government that there is a good chance of securing United Nations Security Council approval for military action later in the year if Saddam can be shown unambiguously to be defying the disarmament conditions set out in resolution 1441.

"The Prime Minister has made it clear that, unless there is a smoking gun, the inspectors have to be given time to keep searching," a senior Whitehall source said.

The uncertainty at the heart of the Government has resulted in ministers blowing hot and cold over the prospects for early military action.

The tensions were highlighted on Tuesday when Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, publicly rebuked Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, for playing down the chances of war.

In the Commons yesterday Tony Blair denied that the Cabinet was split or that he was engaging in "dangerous brinkmanship" with Saddam over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

But he was left in no doubt of growing opposition among Labour MPs to joining an American-led attack without convincing proof that Saddam had defied UN demands to dismantle his nuclear, chemical and biological programmes.

The exchanges showed that the Prime Minister could face a major revolt if he went to war without UN backing.

As the tempo of military preparations accelerates, British diplomats say they can win UN support for war only if the inspectors can corner Saddam, either by finding banned weapons and components or by forcing him to deny access to sites or to officials.

"Nobody familiar with the inspections process expects them to come up with the goods in a matter of weeks," a senior British official said.

"There is an assumption that there will be a campaign before the summer because of the heat. The autumn would be just as sensible a time and in the meanwhile Saddam would be thoroughly constrained by the inspectors."

Although the Government has sent a powerful naval force to the region and called up reservists, there has been a significant softening of Whitehall's warlike rhetoric.

Mr Straw said he thought the prospects of war were roughly 60:40 against. No 10 backed Mr Straw in downgrading the importance of the inspectors' first full report to the Security Council on Jan 27.

Officials said the date was "not a deadline"; the inspectors should be given "time and space" to carry out their work. They also insisted that an indefinite game of "cat and mouse" was not acceptable.

Hans Blix, the chief weapons inspector, is expected to tell the Security Council that Iraq is co-operating in terms of procedure, but that he needs time to investigate the apparent omissions in the latest declaration of its weapons programmes.

Hard-liners in Washington see Iraq's claim that it has no banned weapons as enough justification for action.

British officials know that the real decision about the war will be taken by President George W Bush. Powerful voices in Washington argue that prevarication would risk allowing another crisis to divert the effort against Iraq and afford Saddam a symbolic victory.

British officials hope that London's reservations and Mr Blair's growing problems in the Labour Party will help to tip the balance in the Bush administration in favour of delay.

But they accept that Britain will go along with an American-led war in almost all circumstances, including a conflict in the spring if Washington is determined to launch an early campaign.

The first Prime Minister's Questions of the year, held at noon instead of 3pm under Commons reforms, was dominated by Iraq.

Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader, highlighting the spat between Mr Hoon and Mr Straw, warned Mr Blair that he could not win public backing for a war if he could not convince his Cabinet and if troops were only "half-prepared for war".


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; hoon; iraq; saddam; straw; uk
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for your post. No really, if that bad news pans out, it will be most helpful for me to remember that I learned it from a still-faithful Tory ally.

Regards,
41 posted on 01/08/2003 6:51:19 PM PST by FreeTheHostages (who doesn't think all the British are silly -- just the French)
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To: MadIvan
Is it possible this is part of a disinformation campaign? Maybe, like the media in the 1991 Gulf War, some of the players don't even know they are part of the disinformation?

It seems to me that, on our side of the pond and yours, a suspiciously large amount of public discussion of war plans and timetables and so forth is occurring.

42 posted on 01/08/2003 6:52:01 PM PST by fightinJAG
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To: blam
That link I gave IS Insight Magazine? I thought it was called Insight on the News or something? Well, shoot. They're a reliable source and that article has quite a lot of info I haven't read elsewhere. Not a good article to read just before bed.
43 posted on 01/08/2003 7:19:07 PM PST by Peach
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To: MadIvan
>>living is easy with eyes closed

And even "misunderstanding all you see"

Your minister just returned from Turkey having been rebuffed. Seeing British troops in number in Northern Iraq, let alone in Turkey would make many of us ill even after all these years.

You may have learned about Kut, then Mudros, then Sevres and finally Lausanne, where Britain played the leading role in wresting the oilfields from us. I feel it was quite brazen of the fellow to come asking..

I do not blame your leadership for feeling slightly worried about the possible complications which could arise from this arguably an extra-terror-war excursion. Killing one rat is perhaps easy if it's cornered, but what if all the rats come attacking. That could very well mark the unrecoverable bottom of a long and slow decline..

Nothing personal Ivan. Just an observation.
44 posted on 01/08/2003 7:24:08 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Peach
"I thought it was called Insight on the News or something? "

That's a section of the magazine. I subscribe to this magazine but my delivery is always screwed up around the Christmas season and I don't have this one yet. Thanks.

45 posted on 01/08/2003 7:24:24 PM PST by blam
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To: Domestic Church
Agree. This is likely purposeful disinformation.
46 posted on 01/08/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by mysonsfuture
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To: MadIvan
hard to believe the Brits would start stalling after all that poison was discovered in their country over the weekend...sheesh. Morons. Jolly Bad.
47 posted on 01/08/2003 7:41:43 PM PST by Keith
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To: MadIvan
UN Officials to Say Iraq Is Not Providing Answers

This should change their minds. GW is moving ahead regardless, but it would sure be nice to have full support from you all as we do move forward. Fall is just way too late. The NK crisis will be tripled by then and we need to be on our way to ending the Iraq crisis not starting it.

48 posted on 01/08/2003 7:58:21 PM PST by Mixer
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To: MadIvan
This might be psy ops.

Sadam will never figure out when the war will start if he reads the newspapers.

Otoh, watch the buildup on the ground.

49 posted on 01/08/2003 8:10:03 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: MadIvan
Spot on!

To paraphrase: Only mad dogs and Labourmen shy from the mid day sun.

We have similar types here in the USA only we call them DemocRATS.
50 posted on 01/08/2003 8:15:34 PM PST by SandRat
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To: MadIvan
I can't begin to describe how unspeakably angry I am at Blair for this - Saddam should be dead already - I don't care if Blair has problems with left wingers in his party, it is the right thing to do - Ivan

First time I read this on Drudge I decided that it was just for consumption in Iraq. It keeps Saddam courting inspectors rather than threatening to distribute anthrax or worse. The battle group will go when the pieces are in place.

51 posted on 01/08/2003 8:20:29 PM PST by elfman2
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To: section9
Well if they do want us to wait, they can pay the bill. Probably several billion on month...

Screw waiting. Its far overdue already.
52 posted on 01/08/2003 9:00:43 PM PST by DB
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To: MadIvan; NYS_Eric
I'm hoping that this is disinformation to keep the enemy off balance.
53 posted on 01/08/2003 9:31:22 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (The enemy deserves no mercy.)
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To: MadIvan
See how easy this is?
54 posted on 01/09/2003 12:12:03 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: a_Turk
All your Mosuls are ours. MadIvan is a pub bore, bragging and bellicose, wrapped in a tattered Union Jack. It's still before 1.00pm so he will still be sober.
55 posted on 01/09/2003 5:20:24 AM PST by unending thunder
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To: MadIvan
Well that would put the kabosh on my "Atack Iraq" office pool- we only have January or February for options! Naturally I chose Feb 1st (being a new moon and all)!
56 posted on 01/09/2003 5:46:54 AM PST by x-navy seal
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To: MadIvan
This is reading a lot like Desert Storm on this side of the Atlantic, where the last groups on board were the State Department and the lieberals. The only difference is that the liberals are of the ruling party.
57 posted on 01/09/2003 6:33:37 AM PST by steveegg (Er, how much control does 10 Downing St. have on the British media?)
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To: Argus
Bump!
58 posted on 01/09/2003 6:47:34 AM PST by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
It just sounds like the British rag is trying to increase it's circulation. The train left the station weeks ago and it's not stopping until it runs over Saddam's corpse.
59 posted on 01/09/2003 9:16:18 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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