Posted on 01/07/2003 5:07:00 AM PST by AK2KX
Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile.
The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked.
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We don't know. Perhaps he felt he had adequately shown it, but she didn't see it? We'll see.
Funny; I was racking my brain as to how the sort of establishment the Huddle Lounge was is in any way relevant to the fact that a woman acting in reasonable self-defense has been threatened with attempted murder. Which is what she'd have been charged with if she'd pulled a knife and sliced off the cop's finger instead. If she'd lived, I mean.
I'm still not clear about your position on stoning harlots (or those suspected of harlotry) to death. Perhaps you'll be good enough to enlighten us.
The article does not say police refused to provide ID. It says she did not see ID and asked them to provide it and got in a heated argument about it. They may have felt they had shown it. We just don't know because we don't know what was stated during the argument.
The third article posted by cvsvet noted that the woman had walked a block down the street to her car when noticed by police. Certainly, IF they observed her behavior while walking from bar to car, that could give them an opportunity to have probable cause if they saw she appeared drunk. As I keep saying we will see when we learn all the facts. I am refusing to draw conclusions here except to say that I wouldn't think the police just randomly assualted this poor dear (as most of you seem to be asserting with the blame the cop syndrome). They must have thought she was doing something suspicious to have warranted approaching her.
The third article also makes clear that another Officer initially approached the woman, and was joined by Officer Johnson after the argument started. As more comes out, we will find out exactly what happened. It would be helpful to hear that first Officer's version of events.
Joni Gullas knows just how you feel. And now you know how she feels.
Oh brother. Your argument has resorted to the absurd.
I can't refute your feelings or an insane assertion like that. How could I possible refute your assertion? This is like: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Answer me!"
FTR, I belong to the Republican Party, not the Fascist Party.
Oh you cant? Hmm..let me see. I walk up to your car, late at night, say im a cop (im not), demand your license and registration, and while you're rummaging in the glove box, I whack you over the head, drag you from the car, beat you nearly to death, steal you wallet and keys, then go to your house (i know where you live now because i have your license, and i have your house keys too)and rape your wife and daughter. You're right. Cant be hurt by that at all.
And that is tres likely. Show me once where that has occurred. You ever tried whacking someone over the head through a car window or had it tried on you? Are you saying you'd be so incapacitated by this you couldn't fight back? Anyway, the woman got hit when she backed the car up and pinned the cops hand to the door. That leaves her "throwing the first punch".
An aside - keep your registration in your wallet, not your car. Dumb people keep it in their car, and then lose it when their car is stolen. Theives are more plausible saying "he's my cousin/brother-in-law/etc., I'm just borrowing it, here's the registration officer."
When an officer does not identify himself as one, he is no longer acting as an agent of the State, but as a private citizen.
Well, they did say they identified themselves as police officers, even the woman admits that. You just prefer to call them liars and claim they were hiding their ID's, which the story doesn't state.
Ok, we dont know for a fact, but, the fact that an argument ensued is pretty persuasive to the idea that he didnt. Had he shown it once already, where is the problem in him showing it again?
If he felt he already had shown it to her, why would he need to show it again? That sounds like how an arguement would start to me.
Again, as previously stated, "contempt of cop" is not illegal.
Try going up to one during a traffic stop and cursing him out. You'll have a fun time in the slammer.
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