CA: GOP newsletter raises echoes of Lott

Sac Bee ^ | 01/04/03 | Dan Smith

[NormsRevenge]

Shannon Reeves, secretary of the California Republican Party, called the article "hateful bigotry."

Charges of racial bigotry are made over an article added to a state party e-mail in '99.

An article suggesting the United States would have been better off if the South had won the Civil War has surfaced in the race to lead the California Republican Party, prompting intraparty furor and comparisons to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott's recent racially charged missteps.

[Lancey Howard]

Is this the Sac Bee going to work for the Democrats again to try to get the GOP taken over by the scumbag "moderates" so that the party may be completely destroyed?

[goldstategop]

Yeah. They want the GOP to be politically correct and even debating "alternative history" is verboten. Now you know the novels of Harry Turtledove are a code word for racism and I urge Shannon Reaves to get them banned pronto.

[Enterprise]

"There's no room in the Republican Party for bigots."

You said it first and I agree. There isn't even room for intellectual debate. Sure is getting small in these quarters.

[Huck]

'What is this guy thinking?' "

Probably something like "Golly, Lewrockwell.com is neato. I'll bet I could write an article like that, too. "

[ikka]

Lincoln was a mass murderer and governed un-Constitutionally bump...

[dead]

I've speculated that the world might be a better place if the US had won the Vietnam war.

Does that speculation make me a racist?

[GraniteStateConservative]

FYI...

[inkling]

Lincoln was a mass murderer and governed un-Constitutionally bump...

WHAAA...?! Sometimes the comments on this forum amaze me. Worthy of DU in its asininity.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

They are really asking for it, aren't they? Rush mentioned yesterday that Byrd is currently 4th in line of succession to be president and will likely be nominated again by the DNC. Imagine that! Lott was never given such a high honor or even a remote possibility of ever being president. If some WMD were to take out several politicals at once, we would see the swearing in ceremony of president Byrd in 2003, if the DNC gets its way. Talk about hypocracy.

Then there is the issue of School Choice. Currently, the public schools are locking poor children in a cess pool that few rat politicians would ever subject their own children to, with wasted funds being funnelled off to organisations that want transvestite bathrooms, in a system that wants homosexual teachers to come out of the closet and introduce their sodomizing partners to children during show-and-tell, where parents don't have a prayer of having any say about what kind of people their children are exposed to or how they are exposed to them.

Ultimately, the race issue is backfiring.

[nickcarraway]

The CA GOP thinks the U.S. would be better off if Gore beat Bush in 2000.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I don't look at Lincoln as a saint. He was a combination of evil, foolishness, along with good and ingenious.

Evil and Foolishness: Lincoln enabled Sherman's March to destroy several homes and lives. God knows how much Sherman's March had to do with the formation of the KKK. Lincoln also had difficulty finding generals who were worthy of the title. Grant was late in coming, a drunk who would have lost to Lee if the playing field were even. Grant did some clever things prior to his promotion to general, but frankly, I think that Lincoln could have been a more effective commander-in-chief.

Good and ingenious: On the other side of the coin, Lincoln liberated the USA from the old ways of the world that ultimately inspired us to lead the world with the Industrial Revolution. He encouraged wartime innovation that changed the face of both war and peace. He helped make the concept of slavery practically obsolete. He rallied the Union with God-sent charisma. He led the end of slavery in the US.

[NormsRevenge]

I agree with most of what you say wih the exception of the use of the word Evil. Any man thrust into the maelstrom of human and political savagery that was loosed before, during and after the Civil War and the ensuing "Re-Construction" was laden with a societally dysfunctional albatross the size of which we haven't seen until our current time. That Bush is called evil by his enemies puts him in good stead in my book. Racism,Religion and Revenge make the world go 'round, whether we like it or nor.

[Timmy]

I, of course, haven't read the article. But, there is certainly a reasonable case to be made that the U.S. would be better off if the Civil War hadn't been fought, or even if the Confederacy had won. Slavery certainly would not have lasted past 1900 (I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise).

Lincoln's actions were clearly unconstitutional, and things could have turned out much worse than they actually did, save for the character of the nation. The constitution was weakened by the Civil War, but, then again, the U.S. has reached our greatest heights since that time. We can conjecture all we wish, but we'll never know for sure. However, to call one racist simply for arguing that the U.S. might have been better off if the south had won is a very weak response. I hate it when [some] black Republicans react with the same simplicity that liberals do, as if they had some duty to their race to scream "bigot!" when they encounter something not politically correct. I don't think I like this guy.

[Bogolyubski]

Mr. Reeves should apologize for falsely accusing his fellow Republicans of bigotry. There was nothing bigoted about Mr. Lind's rather silly speculation over what might have been. As I recall, Mr. Reeves is still leads the Oakland chapter of the NAACP, which is nothing but a racist, bigoted, Marxist organization. One never hears a peep of criticism from the NAACP of the genocidally racist Nation of Islam, for example. His actions here are very typical of leftists everywhere: smear your opponent with terms like "racist" - against which there is no defense. The term "racist" is simply a label used by the left to demonize anyone who stands against their poisonous agenda. It's true - the Republican Party shouldn't tolerate racism - whether it's Lott's stupid support of the Dixiecrats' desire to meantain unconstitutional forced segregation or Shannon Reeves' support of a racist organization like the NAACP. Let's stop using the leftist definition of this word.

[Torie]

Yikes. The "debate" whitewash won't wash. A debate would have had a point-counerpoint discussion. The California GOP has been run off and on by kooks for a long time, in part because no one cares of pays attention to the oddballs that want these meaningless party posts.

[cgbg]

Turtledove

I am still amazed that the "thought police" haven't blasted away at S.M. Stirling's Draka books (now on sale as "The Domination", for those who are interested--also discussed if you click on my name and search for "Stirling")

That alterate history makes Turtledove seem very very tame. ;-)

[The Irishman]

"There's no room in the Republican Party for bigots."

On the contrary, there is lots of room in the California Republican Party, it's the Democrat party there that is running out of room.

Regards.

[Van Jenerette]

for later reading

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

What was said is nothing that has'nt been thought about before.The country would have been better off had the south won the civil war!"DIXIE AS THE NATIONAL ANTHEM WOULD'NT BOTHER ME ONE BIT"!