Posted on 01/03/2003 8:35:59 AM PST by RonF
Darrell Lambert is prepared for a long struggle with the Boy Scouts of America, one decided by public opinion and not by lawsuits.
The 19-year-old Eagle Scout, the subject of national attention after being booted out of the organization last month for being an atheist, doesn't think his recent appeal will reverse his situation. Not soon, anyway.
Darrell Lambert of Olalla, who was kicked out of the Boy Scouts for being an atheist, has appealed the decision. But he says he won't go to court. "I'd like them to realize it is the moral thing to do."
"I think eventually the Boy Scouts will change," the Olalla teen said yesterday. "It'll just take longer than I like."
Lambert, who earned 37 merit badges in 10 years and assisted in leading a Port Orchard troop, sent his appeal last week to the Scouts' Western Region office in Tempe, Ariz. His letter started a process that likely could take months to resolve.
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"Legally, (the Scouts) have a right to discriminate," Lambert said at a presentation on the issue yesterday. "Morally, they don't. That's what I'm fighting. They can't teach good citizenship and practice bad citizenship."
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Well, I do think that this situation probably developed over time. Most Eagle Scouts join the BSA as Cubs, and if this young man was raised in a church-going familiy he probably didn't view himself as an atheist at age 7. He probably came to this decision later on, after he moved up to the Boy Scouts.
Now, once he came to this decision, he may well have deliberately sought out controversy. But I wouldn't say that his original intent upon getting into Scouts was to do so.
When a society has the time to self analyze its self down to the molecular level in my opinion we are well down the back side .
The left in all of its various shapes & sizes never sleep & they seem to especially love to erase tradition . I for 1 am looking forward to fighting these internal brush wars over the next 40 odd years of my life .
When enough of society has had enough the right thing will be done & I am most certain of that .
He went nuts before he died, too. Loony, blithering insane. He worshipped himself as god amd couldn't deliver on his vain boast.
Their denial of the existence of God. But even the non-believing Bertrand Russell said atheism could not be supported by strict logic.
You: Well, I do think that this situation probably developed over time. Most Eagle Scouts join the BSA as Cubs, and if this young man was raised in a church-going familiy he probably didn't view himself as an atheist at age 7.
How do you know that? Did THIS Eagle Scout go to church and if so which one? How do you know ho this boy viewed himself? Also if he now views himself as an atheist doens't it make sense for HIM to leave the Scouts because he can not abide by their policy and agenda? Why must an organization change to suit ONE individual? It's clear that atheism is NOT part of the B.S.A. credo.
You: He probably came to this decision later on, after he moved up to the Boy Scouts.
Me: Again, if he views himself differently than it is up to him to MOVE ON not try to change a PRIVATE organization that has the right to form its own policy and agenda. It's also unlikely that his parents aren't pushing this along. A kid that age doesn't have the financial resources or kowledge to push this along legally.
Me: While you thrive on making excuses for disgruntled atheists and sexual perverts it's not playing well. This situation is not different that the woman that took out school prayer in the 60's. It appears she was murdered and her estranged son is a minister desperately trying to undo her damage. Also it was his mom that pushed this. A more recent example is the Pledge of Alligience publicity stunt carried out by a divorced father fascinated with destroying the Constituition and taking out the word God where ever possible. Again, the daughter didn't want this and states emphatically that she does believe in God and is a Christian. This is just another sorry publicity stunt in hopes of drawing attention and forcing views not shared by the majority as law.
Me: You need to start thinking. You echo the godless left sentiments. Now, once he came to this decision, he may well have deliberately sought out controversy. But I wouldn't say that his original intent upon getting into Scouts was to do so.
Yeah, well stud.......tell it to the Big "G" God, won't ya?
Straighten Him out. Go ahead. I'll watch.
Sleep tight. It must suck to be you.
How do I know that most Eagle Scouts in the BSA start out as Cub Scouts? Through both direct observation and though discussions with volunteers and professionals thoughout my 20+ years in Scouting.
Did THIS Eagle Scout go to church and if so which one? How do you know ho this boy viewed himself?
I don't know, which is why I phrased my statement as an opinion, rather than known fact.
Also if he now views himself as an atheist doens't it make sense for HIM to leave the Scouts because he can not abide by their policy and agenda?
Yes. And I think that it's been dishonorable of him to repeatedly recite the Scout Law and Scout Oath when he had no intent of complying with "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God ..." and "A Scout is ... Reverent".
Why must an organization change to suit ONE individual?
It shouldn't.
It's clear that atheism is NOT part of the B.S.A. credo.
I don't think that anyone's disputing that, even Mr. Lambert. As you say, he's trying to change the BSA. He's not asserting that the current BSA credo admits atheists. As far as I can tell, he's running through the BSA's appeal process to bring public pressure on them. He has explicitly stated that he doesn't think he's actually got a chance to get them to change their mind, at least in his own case.
An "agnostic" simply believes "I don't know if there is a God or not". An atheist believes there is no God.
Yet, you do such a despicable thing as put our Heavenly Father on the same level as the damned tooth fairy.......and on a public, conservative forum. You can't possibly believe there is an omnipotent God if you say such a thing. You're an atheist without the spine.
Here's a clue. He means a lot to me and to many, many millions around the world. I won't stand idly by and let a no-mind like you talk about Him in such a fashion.
If you choose to be so blasphemous, keep it to yourself in the future. In other words............just shut up.
Understand, or do I need to make it clearer?
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