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NBA Debut on ABC Slammed, Dumped
ShowBIZData.com ^ | 12/27/2002

Posted on 12/27/2002 10:19:31 AM PST by GeneD

The debut of ABC's NBA telecasts, largely depicted as a "loss leader" for the network, turned out to be no leader at all Wednesday night as a double-header wound up in third place with an average 3.6 rating and a 7 share, falling behind the umpteenth rerun of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer on CBS (4.3/9) and a repeat of The West Wing on NBC (4.0/7). The top-rated show of the night was a rerun of NBC's Law & Order (6.8/13), which gave NBC a slight edge in the overall ratings for the night, as it scored a 4.8/10 to CBS's 4.7/9. On Thursday, in a night of reruns, CBS bested NBC's must-see shows, most impressively in the 10:00 hour, when a repeat of Without a Trace, with a 9.6/16 rating beat a repeat of E.R., with a 7.0/11. CBS averaged an 11.3/18 for the night, more than 50 percent above NBC's 7.5/12.


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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Fun to play, awful to watch, although I do like the NCAA basketball tournament.
41 posted on 12/27/2002 12:26:17 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: lavrenti
The problem with the NBA is that the rules of the game aren't enforced in the same way for everyone. The guys at the end of the bench should be able to expect the same treatment from the referees as the superstars.

It's a shame, because it's a great game when the fouls and violations are administered evenhandedly. Until they are, I won't watch.

42 posted on 12/27/2002 12:28:53 PM PST by Chunga
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To: dirtboy
I have been pretty lucky with injuries. Only a couple sprained ankles and dislocated my shoulder a few times.

43 posted on 12/27/2002 12:46:12 PM PST by Stew Padasso
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To: Stew Padasso
I have been pretty lucky with injuries. Only a couple sprained ankles and dislocated my shoulder a few times.

I used to play 3-4 times a week. Sprained ankles were my primary problem, since I played inside and was always going after rebounds. Plus I had to get stitches on three occassions, sprained my thumbs twice each (once requiring a cast), bit through my tongue (that really hurt), got bursitis on both elbows from all the charging fouls I took, and got broke my fibula (but played five games after that, not realizing I had a hairline fracture). I finally called it quits once the knees started to go, at age 40, the cartiledge was getting a few minor dings and tears, and I had to decide if I wanted to play a few more years or be able to walk when I was 65...

44 posted on 12/27/2002 12:52:28 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: GeneD
BOYCOTT DISNEY:a vortex of seductive evil™
45 posted on 12/27/2002 12:54:40 PM PST by Petronski
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To: GeneD
Another problem with the NBA is that the league is so top-heavy, much more so than other professional sport leagues.

In baseball, it's not uncommon for a team to come from out of the blue and win it all. Football has almost achieved parity. The NHL...anything can happen in a 7 game series.

When was the last time a team came from nowhere to win the NBA crown? The 1974 Warriors?

46 posted on 12/27/2002 12:54:55 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: SamAdams76
Just like hockey where fighting is now all but banned and everybody hangs around the neutral zone for 60 minutes dumping the puck and hoping for something to happen.

Oh, man. You haven't seen an NHL game recently, have you?

Things started to improve when they eliminated the "delayed off-side" dump-in. Now, if the defensive team gets the puck out of the zone, the offensive player who gains possession in the neutral zone actually has to pass it or carry it around while his teammates clear the zone. As a result, there is much more of an emphasis these days on mobile defensemen with puck-handling skills.

My complaint about most sports these days is that the playing areas have shrunk so much due to the increased size and speed of the modern athlete. Every sport should immediately increase the size of its playing surface by 10%-20% to restore some excitement to the games.

47 posted on 12/27/2002 1:01:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: dirtboy
Speaking of age, there's an 85 year-old guy who plays hockey three nights a week at various rinks in New Jersey.

I also met a 55 year-old guy in Saskatchewan who looked like he was about 40. He played in an amateur hockey league with a 50-game regular season schedule.

What always amazed me about those older guys is that a team of them would always seem to play better than any other group of young skaters.

48 posted on 12/27/2002 1:05:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
No I haven't seen a hockey game in several years. The change in the rules you mentioned have me intrigued. Maybe I'll check out the next Bruins game (I hear they are doing well this year).

Increasing playing area is a good idea. I believe that the Europeans play on bigger ice surfaces. That's why I like watching ice hockey in the Olympics. If that brand of faster, more wide-open hockey came to the NHL, we'd have a much better game.

49 posted on 12/27/2002 1:06:14 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: inkling
The NBA is booooooring. A bunch of overweight clods shuffling around the court. A very few actually hustle. The rest stake a claim to a spot and stick their a$$es out to try to knock the other off balance.

College basketball is another story.

50 posted on 12/27/2002 1:13:15 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
The NBA is booooooring. A bunch of overweight clods shuffling around the court. A very few actually hustle. The rest stake a claim to a spot and stick their a$$es out to try to knock the other off balance.

Part of the problem is that the season is too damn long. 80 games, and four playoff rounds. That is a lot of wear and tear on bodies, and it has to impact the level of play by midseason. They should cut the season to 50 games, have four divisions and two playoff rounds. But they won't do that, they'd rather have more games to sell...

51 posted on 12/27/2002 1:18:49 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Sounds like we would have been matched up with one another. My game was down low too, played physical and long. Growing up in Indiana we played ball just about everyday - gym rats.

I was actually asked by the team manager at Ball State, when Majerus was coaching, to try and walk on. I spent an afternoon making their top recruit look silly on the court.

Don't play much ball these days, mainly paintball.
52 posted on 12/27/2002 1:24:14 PM PST by Stew Padasso
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To: lavrenti
The NBA is rapidly losing market share.

foreign players nowitski and nash playing zone defense might be the new saviors of the league; something weak knee jordan is having trouble doing

53 posted on 12/27/2002 1:29:15 PM PST by alrea
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To: Stew Padasso
Sounds like we would have been matched up with one another. My game was down low too, played physical and long.

I really didn't get coordination until I was in college, but turned into a pretty nasty power forward in my twenties (played a lot with former college and European ball players), and then switched more to center in my thirties, and then at the end I was having to more and more play, of all things, point center, because the local kids who would show up for our old-guy pickup games, kids who were the starting guards at one of the local high schools, had absolutely NO idea how to run an offense, only had eyes for that orange piece of metal, and would both go down to the baseline, leaving us wide upon for fast breaks. So I was stuck in the absurd position of being a 6-7 point guard hanging at the top of the key and running the offense if we wanted to win the game and stay on the court.

54 posted on 12/27/2002 1:30:18 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: SamAdams76
Olympic hockey is different in three major areas: the size of the playing surface (the Olympic ice is wider), a different two-line pass rule (the center red line is not included in this rule, so neutral-zone play is much more wide open), and an interesting face-off rule that requires the face-off official to drop the puck exactly fifteen seconds after the whistle blew, regardless of whether the teams are ready or not.

The NHL adopted a variation of that last rule this season (I think it's a 20-second lag instead of 15), and the result has been faster games, quicker line changes, and more ice time for the third and fourth lines. No more of that bullsh!t you used to see, with centers taking their sweet old time getting ready for the face-offs.

55 posted on 12/27/2002 1:30:36 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: GeneD
One possible thing to improve the situation (and I welcome your opinions): the NBA would announce that starting from (say) nine years from the present, the NBA would no longer employ anyone with a visible tattoo. Period. This would allow those about to enter to have their shot whilst putting the younger kids on notice that this will not fly. What say you???
56 posted on 12/27/2002 1:39:39 PM PST by szweig
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To: szweig
One possible thing to improve the situation (and I welcome your opinions): the NBA would announce that starting from (say) nine years from the present, the NBA would no longer employ anyone with a visible tattoo. Period. This would allow those about to enter to have their shot whilst putting the younger kids on notice that this will not fly. What say you???

I think that's silly. Rodman, for all his stupid antics and crazed tattoos, was on the court one of the most sound fundamentally sound players of his time. He studied every player and how their shots tended to come off the rim so he could be in the right place to get the best chance for a rebound of a given shot. I hated Rodman the person but admired Rodman the basketball player and how he worked his butt off to win. It isn't what's on a player's skin that's the problem, it's the attitude between their ears.

57 posted on 12/27/2002 1:51:42 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Quite true, but you must consider the impression that you give to the public. If that impression is that of a street thug then you're going to lose a lot of your potential audience. That is why I would "grandfather" existing players (that'll keep the frigging lawyers at bay) and concentrate on the kids coming up. The average Joe Sixpack doesn't want to see a bunch of tattoed "thugs" whatever the color. It just looks crummy. If you want to have a class league then look "class".
58 posted on 12/27/2002 1:57:24 PM PST by szweig
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To: szweig
Quite true, but you must consider the impression that you give to the public. If that impression is that of a street thug then you're going to lose a lot of your potential audience. That is why I would "grandfather" existing players (that'll keep the frigging lawyers at bay) and concentrate on the kids coming up. The average Joe Sixpack doesn't want to see a bunch of tattoed "thugs" whatever the color. It just looks crummy. If you want to have a class league then look "class".

I really don't care what a player looks like. I care how they play and their team attitude. These are grown men, not high school boys where the school can tell them that they can't have a tattoo.

59 posted on 12/27/2002 2:00:28 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: RetiredArmy
:I loved the NBA back in the 60s and 70s and early 80s. I left for good when Larry Bird retired.

Used to love to watch Celts with Bob Cousey referring to "Lawwy Bud and Wobert Pawwish."

60 posted on 12/27/2002 2:22:35 PM PST by N. Theknow
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