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Report - First human clone born - It's a girl
AFP via Babelfish ^ | December 27, 2002

Posted on 12/26/2002 6:02:33 PM PST by HAL9000

Birth of a small girl obtained by cloning, according to the sect of the raéliens

Friday December 27, 2002 - 1h49 GMT

MIAMI (the United States), 26 déc (AFP) - the scientist Frenchwoman and member of the sect of the raéliens Brigitte Boisselier affirmed Thursday evening with the AFP to have put at the world a baby obtained by the technique of the cloning.

The baby, a small girl, came in the world "today" (Thursday) by Caesarean. "Ca they passed very well", was restricted to affirm Mrs. Boisselier, president of the company of human cloning Clonaid, joined by telephone in Miami (Florida, south-east of the United States).

The effort of the raéliens to put at the world the first cloné baby having been realized in the greatest secrecy, it was not possible, in the absence of a scientific publication in the code of practice, to obtain for the moment an unspecified independent scientific confirmation that the baby was well a clone.

Questioned on the circumstances of this birth, it scientific Frenchwoman refused to give further information immediately more, in particular the birthplace.

"I prefer not in saying more for the moment", has it says, by adding that it would make a public presentation Friday in Florida.

It did not specify either if it would introduce the baby at this occasion.

November 27, Mrs. Boisselier had indicated to the AFP that this birth was awaited by an American couple.

If this birth were confirmed of independent scientific source, it would be about the first baby obtained by the discussed technique of the human cloning and whose birth will have been publicly announced.



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; clonaid; clone; cloning; culthoax; fountainofyouth; immortality; sickandwrong
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To: cornelis
Grecophile!
62 posted on 12/26/2002 6:36:24 PM PST by Petronski
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To: Shermy
Ecccho?
63 posted on 12/26/2002 6:36:30 PM PST by syriacus
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To: dogbyte12
I would rather it be one birth, and the child is healthy honestly. I seriously doubt it though.

I seriously doubt it too, because I have very serious doubts about the whole report. I also have no opposition to cloning, in principle, but the benefits of cloning as a means of reproduction allude me. Nevertheless, I suppose it is going to happen, and I believe, if it does, it will be because someone perceives some benefit in it, which it could be.

I am opposed to all the paranoid hysteria that wants to use government to prevent this and other biological research, however. And thank you for a nicely reasoned response.

Hank

64 posted on 12/26/2002 6:39:37 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: dogbyte12
My big concern is the cost in terms of life. Dolly wasn't the first attempt. It took many miscarriages, and abortions due to deformities to produce Dolly. I would want to know where these people did their work, and how many implantations it took to produce this child.

If this story is true, I worry about the future health of the little girl. According to the articles I've read, the cloning process doesn't fully restore the potency of the genes, leaving the clone with "old genes". We have all the genes we had starting with conception but they aren't all turned on anymore (eg. those that control development of our heart, arms, legs, etc.). The cloning process has to reset the clocks on all these genes. If a clone has been successfully delivered it means that the vast majority of the genes were reset.

Now the worry is that little sections of the baby's genes may have problems. Lot's of serious diseases are the result of microdeletions in the genetic code. Most of these cause problems in the most complex part of our bodies, our brains, resulting in mental retardation.

I really fear for this little girl's future. She isn't a lab animal that can be euthanized if problems arise. We are obliged to care for her just like any other person.

65 posted on 12/26/2002 6:40:26 PM PST by mikegi
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To: syriacus
MyCelle?
66 posted on 12/26/2002 6:40:36 PM PST by syriacus
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To: HAL9000
Science marches forward, morality marches backwards.

Some day this will hit a big wall. A really big wall.
67 posted on 12/26/2002 6:41:23 PM PST by lizma
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To: HAL9000
Humankind's hubris is beyond the pale. Beyond the pale. People who are too good to live in normal middle class housing but must have five bedroom homes with a pool, who are too good to drive an everyday Chevy but must have a Porsche, who wait too damn long to have childrn the normal way, whose infertility is the result of their own damn choice, are now prepared to pay certified psychos to cut them a kid from their own DNA...Damn the mutations, full speed ahead, they WILL have what they WILL have. May God have mercy on us all, but especially on those among us who have a hypertrophied sense of entitlement. What horrors this technology will bring to humankind.
68 posted on 12/26/2002 6:41:34 PM PST by ladysusan
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To: HAL9000
"I took the lead in the establishment of human cloning by crazy UFO cults."

Al Gore
Dec. 27, 2002
69 posted on 12/26/2002 6:41:51 PM PST by sharktrager
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To: Shermy
Narcissus.
70 posted on 12/26/2002 6:42:29 PM PST by ladysusan
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To: dogbyte12
My big concern is the cost in terms of life. Dolly wasn't the first attempt. It took many miscarriages, and abortions due to deformities to produce Dolly. I would want to know where these people did their work, and how many implantations it took to produce this child.

Good point .. there were a lot of problems before Dolly was born and all of a sudden they have the first clone baby?

Something in this story IMO is missing

71 posted on 12/26/2002 6:46:21 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Cvengr
The real question is,...does it have a soul or spirit? If not then does it become a body available to unbodied spirits?

very intresting angle you brought up here.

Since a clone is a replicant of someone who was born with a soul therefore the 'clone' is devoid of a God-Given soul and the 'body' though technically 'alive'.

It may be open to become a vessel of all sorts of evil spirits/demons who wish to inhabit it to spread even more anti-God Anti-Christ doctrines.

It may be the beginning of something even more scarier than hollywood can imagine.

72 posted on 12/26/2002 6:46:23 PM PST by prophetic
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To: dighton
Good link. The Raelians are awaiting the Elohim, the Gods from the Sky, and if they won't come, they'll clone them.

Photo from Rael.org doesn't look much like a nursery:


73 posted on 12/26/2002 6:48:39 PM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: HAL9000
Oh great! It'll give Drudge a reason to obsess about his favorite subject on Sunday night. Boring!

I'll wager that this human cloning announcement is as phony as Ms. Brigitte.

74 posted on 12/26/2002 6:49:49 PM PST by AF68
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To: HAL9000

Big Cloning News Promised Friday

Scientists Remain Skeptical Of Claims

NEW YORK -- Another announcement is expected Friday from a company that recently said it was producing the world's first human clone.

The company, Clonaid, won't say whether it will claim at the Florida briefing that a baby girl is genetically identical to her 30-year-old mother.

But a company spokeswoman says the company will have what it calls an independent inspector take DNA evidence from the baby and mother.

Skepticism about the project is based not only on the scientific challenges, but on the fact the company has connections with a group called the Raelians. Its founder, Claude Vorilhon, claims aliens visiting him in the 1970s revealed they'd created all life on Earth through genetic engineering.

Cloning is not specifically outlawed in the United States, but the Food and Drug Administration contends it must approve any human experiments.

Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


75 posted on 12/26/2002 6:50:41 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: prophetic
Since a clone is a replicant of someone who was born with a soul therefore the 'clone' is devoid of a God-Given soul and the 'body' though technically 'alive'.

Shades of "zombies," where to you get this superstious stuff. Please state an authority for, "God-Given soul," as though the soul were something different from and separated from an individual living human being.

Hank

76 posted on 12/26/2002 6:51:42 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: syriacus
There now is a clone named MyCelle,
With parentage as clear as a bell.
Each Christmas her wish is
For clear petri dishes.
She thinks a small sister'd be swell.


77 posted on 12/26/2002 6:53:46 PM PST by syriacus
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To: mikegi
Significant moral and ethical issues arise regarding the origin of life.

Theologically, there are significant doctrinal issues regarding the spirit. Some hold that the body, soul and spirit become life upon conception. Others hold that the bodily life might begin either at conception or by the first trimester. Some hold the spirit is created by God immediately upon the birth and removal of the baby from the womb.

Here is a hypothetical stressing the importance of the issues.

If the spirit is a discernible feature of man from other creatures and is given or created and instilled in the human upon physical birth and if that gift is not mechanically undeerstood by man, then the cloning of the human body might result in a receptacle capable of receiving a spirit, but perhaps not granted by God as it is not a natural birth.

This would result in a new race of beings, persons, lacking spirit, without opportunity for salvation, yet as an automaton, a mimicry of man.

The laws and institutions of human domain might not be approprately attributed to the domain of the clone. Worse, disembodied spirits might have access to the same clone which without previous spirit, could become host to something ungodly.

Considering the things of the spirit which God has provided to man according to His plan are also considered foolishness to those who do not believe, then this mechanism will present some doctrinally challenging scenarios. Mechanically and spiritually if not by His plan, some even more heinous waters might be unleashed. IMHO, this isn't just a lab experiment with some possible humanistic repurcussions, but might be a much more pregnant problem.

78 posted on 12/26/2002 6:55:28 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Petronski
They'll probably confirm it on January 7!
79 posted on 12/26/2002 6:55:30 PM PST by Poor Old Public Functionary
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To: prophetic
I thought the soul was NOT tied to the body, therefore as soon as the spark of life occured in this baby it would have been inhabited by a true soul.

I have the exact same car as the guy that lives next door. We drive them differently. His has dents and mine is clean.

I think that the process of cloning per se is not evil. I think it would be great to be able to produce replicants of my own stem cells to fight cancer.
80 posted on 12/26/2002 6:56:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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