Report - First human clone born - It's a girl

AFP via Babelfish ^ | December 27, 2002

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Birth of a small girl obtained by cloning, according to the sect of the raéliens

Friday December 27, 2002 - 1h49 GMT

MIAMI (the United States), 26 déc (AFP) - the scientist Frenchwoman and member of the sect of the raéliens Brigitte Boisselier affirmed Thursday evening with the AFP to have put at the world a baby obtained by the technique of the cloning.

The baby, a small girl, came in the world "today" (Thursday) by Caesarean. "Ca they passed very well", was restricted to affirm Mrs. Boisselier, president of the company of human cloning Clonaid, joined by telephone in Miami (Florida, south-east of the United States).

The effort of the raéliens to put at the world the first cloné baby having been realized in the greatest secrecy, it was not possible, in the absence of a scientific publication in the code of practice, to obtain for the moment an unspecified independent scientific confirmation that the baby was well a clone.

Questioned on the circumstances of this birth, it scientific Frenchwoman refused to give further information immediately more, in particular the birthplace.

"I prefer not in saying more for the moment", has it says, by adding that it would make a public presentation Friday in Florida.

It did not specify either if it would introduce the baby at this occasion.

November 27, Mrs. Boisselier had indicated to the AFP that this birth was awaited by an American couple.

If this birth were confirmed of independent scientific source, it would be about the first baby obtained by the discussed technique of the human cloning and whose birth will have been publicly announced.

[headsonpikes]

"...free sex with multiple partners will always attract."

I think that's the first principle of religious marketing, discovered perhaps ten thousand years ago by early religious entrepreneurs.

[stuartcr]

As if anyone here on earth would know the answer to that.

[sweetliberty]

God allows some very broad leeway and none but Himself can understand the "why" of much of His will. Still, my gut feeling about the cloning of humans is that it isn't natural and man is once again trying to make himself equal with God. That is, after all, the essence of original sin. There is a quote by G.K. Chesterton that I like because it addresses so many of the issues we deal with today that says, "To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." I would change that a little in this situation and say that just because we are able to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

[NordP]

Ditto?

[brewcrew]

Hmmm...born the day after Christmas...something of significance there but I don't know what.

Yes, "it" was "born" on my birthday.

Perhaps the significance is for me, not "it." Hmmmm.....

[stuartcr]

Since you acknowledge the fact that only God can understand the why, what really does any of our gut feelings about anything that has to do with God and the spiritual, matter at all? No one knows the why, therefore whatever anyone believes, is as valid/invalid as any others.

[theFIRMbss]

>Since you acknowledge the fact that only God can understand the why, what really does any of our gut feelings...matter at all? ...therefore whatever anyone believes, is as valid/invalid as any others.

That would be simple
but it is unscriptural.
In the Book of Job,

clearly there are things
which Job is expected to
understand. And one

of those things is the
transcendent nature of God.
We can know some things...

[sweetliberty]

"No one knows the why, therefore whatever anyone believes, is as valid/invalid as any others"

That is just silly. That's like saying that a rule doesn't apply to us if we don't understand the reason for it. There is much that we CAN understand and the rest we take on faith. God doesn't ask that our faith be blind but based on what we know to be true. Our "instincts" or gut feelings are given to us for a reason and that is generally to serve as a guide. To ignore them would be as fooish as refusing to use our eyes because we don't understand how they work.

[stuartcr]

We are talking about God and spiritual/metaphysical things here. We are not talking about things which can be reasoned, logically proven. How do you know these things to be true? I don't say to ignore our instincts, but many people have different gut feelings about God. Are the ones that do not agree with yours, wrong?

[4Freedom]

How much do you think their clone cost this couple, $1 million, $10 million and percentage of the proceeds from the sale of the movie and book rights?

Whose show will the clone debut on, 'Larry King Live', Connie Chung or Barbara Walters?

[sweetliberty]

"How do you know these things to be true?"

Because I believe the scriptures and they prove themselves. It is not that things spritual cannot be reasoned but that our ability to reason them is limited. Where our understanding breaks down is where faith takes over and through faith our understanding grows as well. It is futile to attempt to explain spiritual things to one who does not believe and one who does requires no explanation.

[stuartcr]

I assumed your proof was through the bible, I made my statements, because there are many that do not believe in biblical proof.

[bert]

I would argue that BearCub is correct. The immune system evolves as one's life progresses. That is antibodies develop as a result of bacterial invasion/exposure. There are no antibodies present at birth.

Twins for instance, don't have the same identical resistance. The resistance will develop in each individual and will reflect the individual's exposure which will be different for each twin.

There is some genetic resistance as in Sicle Cell gene that prevents malaria, but the clone should posess this gene the same as the original DNA. Unanswered is the question of DNA degradation, but ordinary cotten pickers have been cloning plants for years with no degradqation that I know of.

[Sally II]

My boyfriend took part in helping deliver a cloned calf at the UCD vet school a couple years ago. It looked pretty normal when it was born. But it died just a few days later. I don't think they've cloned an animal yet that hasn't had really serious medial problems. This calf, for example, looked fine to me, but they said that the skin was a little more "rubbery" than normal and I think there were some very serious and weird problem with the development of it's lungs. From what I've heard cloning humas is far more complicated than cloning animals. There may be some important uses for cloning in the future. But knowing where cloning technology is right now with farm animals, a woman who subjects her child to these experiments has to do so knowing that her child will be born severely deformed and will most likely die withing a few days after. I don't understand why any woman would willingly do that.

[willyboyishere]

"Mimea?"

"Xeroxa?"

Other suggestions?

=====How about HILLARY?

[willyboyishere]

I predict the Raelians will be indicted within six months
and in jail within a year and a half. I'm trying to think of the charge...........racketeering?

[Inkie]

It just gives me the creeps, hearing things like this. "Normal," indeed. They won't know until they watch this poor child like a hawk throughout its life, which will probably be short.

Someone was talking about "designer" children this morning on the radio. Imagine that you order up a child with superior sports skills, then somehow the child you get disappoints you in some way. What happens? Do you sent the child back to the designer farm? Do you sue the designer? It turns my stomach.

[willyboyishere]

Did anyone notice at the press conference how Brigitte
kept referring to this as being "her day", as if to say
her proud moment to shine as a "parent"?---sorta makes me
think of Ruth Gordon as Minnie Castavet in ROSEMARY'S BABY>

[Right Wing Professor]

My boyfriend took part in helping deliver a cloned calf at the UCD vet school a couple years ago. It looked pretty normal when it was born. But it died just a few days later.

And with a calf, you have only a few years of genetic deterioration in the parent to be passed on to the offspring. A 31 year old woman is far older than any organism that has yet been cloned. Her DNA is a history book of all the mutagens, cosmic rays, and just random duplication errors she has accumulated.

I'm very skeptical of this report. And I'm hoping for the child's sake it's a fake, because if its true, the kid is probably doomed to a short and horrible life. Truly, the Congress needs to enact some severe penalties for these sorts of utterly irresponsible experiments.

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