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Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case (Judge Orders Microsoft to Carry Java)
Associated Press ^ | FOSTER KLUG

Posted on 12/23/2002 2:41:35 PM PST by dfwgator

BALTIMORE - Microsoft must include rival Sun Microsystem's Java programming language in its Windows operating system, a federal judge ruled Monday, handing Sun a victory as it pursues its private antitrust case.

Sun had argued during a three-day hearing earlier this month before U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz that Microsoft has gained an unfair advantage by shipping Windows — used by more than 90 percent of the world's personal computers — with an outdated version of Java that's inconsistent for its users.

"In the final analysis, the public interest in this case rests in assuring that free enterprise be genuinely free, untainted by the effects of antitrust violations," Motz said in his ruling.

Software developers are turning to Microsoft's .NET platform instead of gambling on Microsoft's spotty distribution of Java, Sun attorneys told Motz during the hearing.

Microsoft attorneys countered that at least half the world's software developers already use Java, which was designed to run small applications independent of any particular operating system.

"Competition is not only about winning the prize; its deeper value lies in giving all those who choose to compete an opportunity to demonstrate their worth," Motz wrote. "If .NET proves itself to be a better product than Java, it should — and will — predominate in the market."

Motz wrote that if Microsoft's system was to remain dominant, "it should be because of .NET's superior qualities, not because Microsoft leveraged its PC monopoly to create market conditions in which it is unfairly advantaged."

In asking for the injunction, Sun said that if it waited until its $1 billion antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft was settled, it would be too far behind to compete.

In the antitrust suit, Sun accuses Microsoft of intentionally creating incompatibilities with competitors' products. It also charges that Microsoft forced other companies to distribute or use products incompatible with Java.

The case is one of four private antitrust lawsuits that followed a federal judge's ruling in a lawsuit filed by the Justice Department (news - web sites) and 18 states. The court had found that Microsoft acted as an illegal monopoly based on its dominance in desktop operating systems.

In November, U.S. District Court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly approved a settlement in that case barring Microsoft from retaliating against or threatening computer manufacturers. The settlement, which two states are appealing, also compels Microsoft to share key technical data with competitors that allow their programs to run more smoothly with Microsoft operating systems.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: java; microsoft; net; sun
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1 posted on 12/23/2002 2:41:35 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
How crooked of you, Sun.
2 posted on 12/23/2002 2:43:35 PM PST by jodorowsky
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To: Bush2000
Bump
3 posted on 12/23/2002 2:44:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
What the hell is going on?

First I was told that "bundling" was bad and evil and that Bill Gates was a "bundler" and therefore Satan

AND NOW, I see people trying to force Microsoft to "bundle" and be evil like satan..

Someone needs to make up their F$^%&*@ mind on this one way or the other.

4 posted on 12/23/2002 2:45:48 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: dfwgator
OK, Sun sues Microsoft to make them stop using the Java trademark.

So Microsoft does exactly that. They do so by not distributing Java at all.

Now Sun sues to demand that Microsoft include Java.

But that would involve Microsoft violating the injunction against using Sun's Java trademark.

This makes my head hurt.
5 posted on 12/23/2002 2:47:18 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Yes, exactly..

I thought all this was BAAAAD..

I mean, it was yesterday.. Right?

6 posted on 12/23/2002 2:48:29 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
The principle is you can't leverage a monopoly in one market to gain an advantage in another.

That's what Microsoft did by bundling Explorer with Windows.

That's not what Microsoft will by doing by bundling an updated Java runtime with Windows.
7 posted on 12/23/2002 2:49:30 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: dfwgator
>Microsoft must include rival Sun Microsystem's Java programming language in its Windows operating system...

Should True Basic, Inc.
sue Microsoft to force them
to ship True Basic?

What about ParcPlace?
Should ParcPlace sue Microsoft
for Cincom Smalltalk?

Should Microsoft ship
everything that everyone
has ever coded?

8 posted on 12/23/2002 2:50:46 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Poohbah
Here's hoping this is overturned. Heck, even the 9th Cirucit is smart enough to realize that the two orders are contradictory...
9 posted on 12/23/2002 2:50:57 PM PST by hchutch
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
But it's OK for Sun to force MS to allow them to leverage MS's monopoly for Sun?!

Sun's just as big a bunch of scumbags as MS, only difference is they aren't as good as marketing their crap.
10 posted on 12/23/2002 2:51:59 PM PST by discostu
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
I think it's contradictory..

It looks to me like Sun is trying to get MS to carry their water here.

I thought about manufacturing cars in my spare time.. Maybe I can find a court to force local FORD dealers to carry my brand.

11 posted on 12/23/2002 2:52:17 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Poohbah
Sun wants microlimp to ship their java run time.

Microsoft should retaliate by including swing.

12 posted on 12/23/2002 2:53:08 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: hchutch
Here's hoping this is overturned. Heck, even the 9th Cirucit is smart enough to realize that the two orders are contradictory...

I wouldn't bet the mortgage money on either assumption.

Q: How can you tell the 9th Circuit Judge on the BART?

A: He's the one reading Constitutional Law for Dummies.

Q: How can you tell the 9th Circuit Judge's clerk on the BART?

A: He's the one reading Dick and Jane Go to the Courthouse.

13 posted on 12/23/2002 2:53:12 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Dinsdale
The latest flavor of Swing actually seems to work.
14 posted on 12/23/2002 2:53:43 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: dfwgator
"Competition is not only about winning the prize; its deeper value lies in giving all those who choose to compete an opportunity to demonstrate their worth," Motz wrote. "If .NET proves itself to be a better product than Java, it should — and will — predominate in the market."

Something Microsoft seems to have forgotten along the way....
15 posted on 12/23/2002 2:54:11 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Dinsdale
Microsoft should retaliate by including swing.

Ouch!!!

16 posted on 12/23/2002 2:54:25 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: discostu
The judge wants .Net to beat Java in the marketplace on its merits, not on the strength of Microsoft's monopoly on operating systems. Hard to see what the problem is. If both are available out of the box, but .Net is better, it should and will succeed.
17 posted on 12/23/2002 2:55:32 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Poohbah
Yeah, I'm sick of all the crybaby losers stomping their feet. I really wish Gates would find a way to drag these idiotic lawsuits out forever without ever having to cough up a dime (except to good attorneys).
18 posted on 12/23/2002 2:55:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
I'm still having a problem understanding why the judge is FORCING Microsoft to include the Java platform. You haven't made that issue clear.

If Joe Six-Pack wants it, he can download it from Sun and install it.

19 posted on 12/23/2002 2:57:20 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Jhoffa_
"I think it's contradictory."

I know you do. You're probably not alone. Momma always said, it's hard for people to see what follows from what.
20 posted on 12/23/2002 2:58:25 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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