CARDINAL LAW’S RESIGNATION [Rabid Bigots Falsely Accuse Pope]

Correction: it was your post #14 wherein you attacked the pope, refering to him as "a corrupt man".

Luther wrote many wonderful things:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts? ....

My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward... " - Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)

From Luther's Works, Volume 47: The Christian in Society IV, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971). pp 268-293

Anti-Catholics embellish and demonize what they think was "the inquisition," yet now they long for and demand an autocratic, overbearing, meddling pope whose view of due process is draconian.

You have described the Press, the Glitterati, Hollywood, and the Communist Party International.

Oh, yea, liberals too, not to mention Jack Chick fans.

Funny--I bet they NEVER thought they had anything in common.

I just had dinner. The irony is a delicious dessert.

Too bad your religious education did not penetrate as well as your education in English. Then you would be less enthusiastic in making a fool of yourself by spreading your doctrinal squalor before the internet for all to see. Your ancestors would, no doubt, be ashamed.

Case in point? Such as . . . ? I'm not a Catholic? So I am a fool? I don't recognize the pope (and don't mind saying so), and therefore I am spreading my "doctrinal squalor?"

You crack me up. Okay. So, I am a fool for Christ? That is a high compliment. I wear it proudly.

Oh, yea, liberals too, not to mention Jack Chick fans.
My, my. Perhaps just a little bit of anti-Protestant bigotry showing there? (This bigotry charge that you devotees of Rome are so fond of hurling about cuts both ways, you know.)

Alas, but you are blind to your own blindness.

Oh, yea, liberals too, not to mention Jack Chick fans.

My, my. Perhaps just a little bit of anti-Protestant bigotry showing there? (This bigotry charge that you devotees of Rome are so fond of hurling about cuts both ways, you know.)

Alas, but you are blind to your own blindness. 187 posted on 12/17/2002 7:48 PM PST by BenR2

You are not a fool for Christ but a foolish person braying against His Church. Either you were adequately catechized in which case you know better than to think your apostasy is in service to Christ OR you were not adequately catechized which explains why you find in necessary to skip off in search of your own personal interpretation of Scripture (YOPIOS).

The cited instance is certainly squalid for one who ought to know better. If that cracks you up or my post cracks you up you are not to be taken seriously.

You understand what I am saying perfectly well even if you were never properly catechized. I belong to a Church which has the authority to provide the Mass and the Sacraments. You no longer belong to that Church. Were you expecting actual Catholics to abandon the Faith to adopt YOPIOS? OR were you expecting Catholics to be liberal and indifferent to doctrinal differences?

If you attack my Church, do you expect me to accept a pseudo-Scriptural beating because I am a Catholic? If so, you expect in vain.

As you well know, the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ Himself and has continuously existed (as He promised) ever since. If the earth lasts long enough, Luther's name will be long forgotten while Christ's promises to His Church (my Church, your former Church) will continue to flourish in full force and effect.

Your Catholic ancestors would be ashamed to know what you have done and you know it.

And you imagined that any actual Catholic is even slightly interested in your heretical and impudent opinions as to a Church which is not your own, because?????????

Heresy has its own wages as the rebellious Mr. Luther has been learning the hard way for a very long time now unless he repented at the very end without human knowledge. Have you seen the old American Lutheran Church film biography starring Stacy Keach as the renegade Augustinian. His reputation can stand as portrayed in that movie produced and distributed by one of the numerous and disagreeing churches that has assumed his name. I think ALC is now part of ELCA.

That would be "pedophiles", BTW. AND, as I was saying, you may wish to refer to Jesus Christ as a fool. I dare think and say that you are wrong. There I stand. I can do no other, as old Whazzisname used to say. He was rationalizing his inability to keep his vows. I defend the institution most worth defending on earth.

I am looking to the incarceration and removal of each and every clerical pederast and other clerical pervert from the priesthood and any higher office held. I favor the entire sorry mess being spread before the public for all, including you, to see. I want such an example made out of each every miscreant that liberalism, levender or otherwise will not dare show its face in the AmChurch (pseudo-Catholic termites eating sacred wood) ever again.

I'll let Jack Chick's reputation (and yours if you defend him) rest on his execrable and laughable little bigoted comics. Are you actually rising to his defense? If so, there are a lot of folks here who will enjoy the exercise of administering to you some well-deserved spankings for your defending what is truly indefensible.

I take it that you suggest that RCs are blind because we fail to lap up YOPIOS in place of the authoritative teachings of the Magisterium and of the Holy Father? You expected us to be impressed by this shallow argument or bare assertion, actually, because??????????

<> Mega putting-things-into-perspective dittoes, Black Elk; smashing<>

<> Great post, Campion. Of course, the facts will be ignored so the real object, the Papacy, can be assaulted<>

Dear BlackElk,

If your little acquaintance, BenR2 thinks that holding Jack Chick and his publications in low-esteem is "anti-Protestant" bigotry, then, no, my friend, I personally won't administered a well-deserved spanking.

I'll be laughing too hard to do that.

;-)

sitetest

Dear BlackElk,

Seriously, though.

"I take it that you suggest that RCs are blind because we fail to lap up YOPIOS in place of the authoritative teachings of the Magisterium and of the Holy Father?"

From FR, I've learned that there are critical, deep differences between Protestants and Catholics, and this is the deepest. Protestants accept no earthly authority. No one living may bind them to right teaching or right practice. There is no objective authority outside the individual person, other than God.

This is a nice theory. I mean that. It's NICE. It's warm and comforting. I need obey no one other than God and my conscience. I am subject to the binding authority of no man. It is a very, VERY warm belief. It is a system which may provide for an exceedingly warm eternity for those who embrace it. REALLY REALLY warm.

It's like breathing carbon monoxide. Your body is fooled into thinking you're getting oxygen, and you are lulled to sleep, and then to death.

The difficulty, of course, is that we humans are prone to self-delusion. And God, Who created us, and knows us better than we know ourselves, knows that we need binding authority. And so, in setting up His Church, Jesus gave us the office of binding authority. The Gift of Peter is this office.

And for the docile Catholic (docile = one who is readily educated, eager to learn, open to instruction), there is great joy in being in union with Peter. It is a great, precious gift that our Savior gave us.

And this is a fundamental psychological difference between devout Catholics and devout Protestants. This difference leads to frustrations for both Catholics and Protestants.

Catholics become frustrated by long, drawn-out theological arguments offered to "prove" that Rome is wrong. Even if we grant the plausibility of these Rube Goldberg-like theological constructs, we ask, "What does this have to do to with the price of tea in China? On what authority is this asserted? Why would I prefer THIS dreck to the authoritative teaching of the Holy Catholic Church, as guaranteed by Jesus Christ, Himself?"

Protestants become frustrated by Catholics failing to see the pearls of wisdom in their theological constructs. The Catholics are illogical, unreasonable, irrational! They refuse to see the truth of what I'm saying! Can't they see the clear meaning of Scripture???

But the Catholics look at the cacophony of Protestants, each offering his own unique, nuanced view of doctrine, each insisting that he is correct, and we think to ourselves, even if we WERE so inclined as to reject the authoritative teachings of Jesus Christ given to us by His Holy Catholic Church, which of these would we choose??

And thus, some "suggest that RCs are blind because we fail to lap up YOPIOS". Why? Because it is entirely uninteresting to us.

Protestants judge the rightness of doctrine by who is the best debater. Catholics ask, on what authority do you make the argument? Many arguments are plausible. We will not believe because one debater is better at debating than the next. We listen only to the voice of our Master. We are His sheep, and we recognize His voice. We know that whoever hears Peter, hears the Master.

sitetest

This thread should be preserved and published. It contains so many beautiful,cogent,incisive posts in defense of the Church,Catholic teaching and the Pope.It is a mini course in apologetics and Truth.

I appreciate the comments of all of the addressees as well as additional ones authored by folks I can't recall right now.I'd like to print it,copy it and give it to all the lukewarm and dissident catholics to warn them of all that they are throwing away as the beat goes on and they continue to hammer away for changes they would like to see implemented.

I consider these responses to reflect the Pope's words of several years back.He was responding to a question about the state of the Church and what was to be done about the leakage. He said "We must smother error with truth".This thread demonstrates truth,if we could just figure out how to cover more territory and expand the body of recipients.

Anyway ,here's to more "smothering error with truth,John Paul II and all of Peter's Successors and the Catholic Church".

No one living may bind them to right teaching or right practice.

Allow me to sum this (not nearly as gently as your original post)

NON SERVIAM

I take it that you suggest that RCs are blind because we fail to lap up YOPIOS

Apparently, some poor soul took offense to our new YOPIOS breakfast cereal debut, so its been reposted in the Smokey Back Room:

Catholic Caucus: YOPIOS, the Breakfast of Reformation Champions [Enter at your own risk.]

;-)