POPE GAVE HIS BLESSING (to transfer of pedophiles!)

NY Post ^ | 11 December 2002 | KATE SHEEHY

[Zviadist]

Boston's Bernard Cardinal Law was just following orders from his boss - Pope John Paul II - when he sent suspected pedophile priests back to work in parishes with kids, a damning church document reveals.

The pope, in a 1999 order defrocking a Boston priest with a history of molesting boys, acknowledged that the man "ought to live away from the place where his previous condition is known."

[Domestic Church]

"The devil couldn't contrive a better way to divorce people from the Church than by letting evil men wear priestly robes."

The marxist, Antonio Gramsci, wrote the game plan for the devil but he will not succeed.

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b555c262d74.htm

[Aquinasfan]

So much for the Infallible Church!

You're thinking of "impeccability." Dictionaries are available on-line.

[Aquinasfan]

Nothing new or notable here, move along.

Why pull the plug on the hysteria so soon? ;-)

[Aquinasfan]

My wife, an ex-Catholic whose family are still "occasional" Catholics, says that in her experience the insulation of the R/C priesthood from the realities of family life lends itself to this kind of thinking. The priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, pope, etc., live in a sort of "altered" reality where the notion of protecting children, and the protective instincts that people have toward children, are secondary to the protection of their insular society.

This is simply nonsense. Priests hear confessions regularly and are quite familiar with the ways of the world. In fact, most of the priests that I have known personally have been uncommonly wise and holy men. The few clinkers that I have known were tainted by garden-variety liberalism.

In effect, the supposed "benefit" of a celibate clergy--which actually has its roots in the Platonian ideal of the corruption of the physical world and the absolute baseness of carnality even in the bonds of matrimony--of the objectivity they allegedly bring to their vocation is a liability when it comes to truly understanding intimate issues of family and children.

Again, this is absolute nonsense. The Church led the fight against gnostic heresies which devalued the bodily aspect of the human person and the Church rejected these heresies dogmatically. Priestly celibacy is a discipline (a pastoral rule, not a dogmatic teaching) that is based in Scripture:

I would that all men were even as myself; but every one hath his proper gift from God .... But I say to the unmarried and to the widows, it is good for them if they so continue, even as I...

But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of this world how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit, not to cast a snare upon you, but for that which is decent and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord without impediment. (I Cor., vii, 7-8 and 32-35.)

[Aquinasfan]

I am now guessing that the third secret, or prediction has to do with the downfall of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church and this pedophilia scandal is it and was revealed by Mary at Lourdes those many years ago.

I'll give you two more guesses and then you can read the answer.

[Zviadist]

I'll give you two more guesses and then you can read the answer.

You don't buy that phony whitewash, do you? Boy, you neos are sure gullible. Why keep the poor sister incommunicato? Why the forced silence? Give me a break!

[Illbay]

This is simply nonsense.

To you, perhaps, but then you have to justify the church's position.

Within the next couple of decades, when the inability to recruit new priests becomes a crisis, I believe this arbitrary requirement for priestly celibacy--which has caused far more problems than it ever purported to solve--will be gone, and it won't be an issue.

To me, this is such a repudiation of our primary purpose for being put on this earth, that it will be a good thing for your faith when it is finally put to rest.

[Desdemona]

To me, this is such a repudiation of our primary purpose for being put on this earth, that it will be a good thing for your faith when it is finally put to rest.

Don't count your chickens yet. The church has stood for 2,000 years and has weathered much worse than this.

[Notwithstanding]

The CONSTITUTION as interpreted by the SCOTUS has concluded that the govt cannot dictate how a religious act is to be done. The church is bound to obey generally applicable laws - but no law that singles out a religion is allowed - unless it is a law that is designed to alleviate govt intrusion into the practice of religion.

You miss the larger point, which is that internal church discipline is a church matter and the state cannot and should not dictate how a church is run. When a law is broken then no cleric should be immune, but as it stands no law was broken and here there is not even a question that the pope acted in a wholly moral fashion.

The pope defrocked a man who three years previsouly plead guilty to a child sex crime. He told the bishop to try to get him the hell out of the community where he caused trouble so as to avoid his presence being a painful memory to those scandalized - yet he realized that there may be an exceptional situation in which no scandal would exist by him remaning in the same community. Even so, once a priest is defrocked the church has no power over the man.

The "journalist" in the NY Post article did a shoddy job and merely wanted to make waves. She succeeded.

[Aquinasfan]

To you, perhaps, but then you have to justify the church's position.

It's in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 7

I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

I thought the LDS accepted the Bible. Was Paul kidding about the value of celibacy? Or is the Book of Mormon regarded as having a higher standing than the Bible?

[Aquinasfan]

You don't buy that phony whitewash, do you?

I won't tell you what Sr. Lucia said to me until you tell me what she said to you.

[Illbay]

I think that things are often taken out of context. No, Paul didn't think celibacy was the highest form of existence. That's patently absurd. And it flies in the face of the COMMANDMENT from God to Adam and Eve.

[Illbay]

The church has stood for 2,000 years and has weathered much worse than this.

Another amusing attitude by R/Cs, who refuse to recognize that other, parallel organizations such as the eastern Orthodox and the Copts have existed for longer then they.

[Zviadist]

I won't tell you what Sr. Lucia said to me until you tell me what she said to you.

But that's the point: she hasn't been allowed to say a thing to anyone!

[Aliska]

Jesus also said something like "those who are worthy of that life neither marry nor are given in marriage but are as the angels in heaven", this in the context of being asked a hypothetical question about a person who had had several husbands and which one would be her husband in heaven.

Jesus also talked about eunuchs, three types, one being for the kingdom of heaven.

The book of revelation mentions men who have not been defiled with women.

Now if there are problems with those scriptures, I'll have to leave that for another time.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Oh. Ok. Nevermind.

[redhead]

"Yeah,he also saw it as a great place to meet young boys."

Exactly. THIS is key. If there is a preponderance of this kind of behavior among the homosexual seminarians and priests in the American church, it illustrates that the vows taken by these men were FRAUDULENT, and therefore, there should be no obstacle to laicizing them one right after the other as they are discovered. The fraudulent taking of religious vows is grounds for excommunication at least. Even though the bishops who ordained them conferred the Sacrament with good intent, the priestly candidates had in the backs of their minds at all times the possibility of finding victims and sexual partners as most desirable.

This is such a sick situation it's hard to write about. Men of the cloth, who would deliberately prey on youths, using coercion like telling them that it was "holy," that they were being "made good Catholic men," etc., shows the depths of the depravity of the minds of these fraudulent priests. Please God, they will all be discovered and removed. Lord Jesus, purify your priesthood!

[Scupoli]

Have you ever heard of the three secrets that the Blessed Virgin Mary gave to the little kids at Lourdes?

Not to nitpick, but for the sake of accuracy the three secrets were given at Fatima (Portugal) in 1917. The apparition at Lourdes, France occurred in the mid 1800s.

[Aquinasfan]

No, Paul didn't think celibacy was the highest form of existence.

Well, maybe you'll believe Jesus:

Matthew 19:12

For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[ 19:12 Or have made themselves eunuchs] because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."