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U.N. Security Council group urges tolerance and integration in Kosovo
AP via Yahoo ^ | Dec. 15, 2002 | GARENTINA KRAJA

Posted on 12/15/2002 7:10:55 PM PST by bob808

KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Yugoslavia - The head of a U.N. Security Council delegation on Sunday urged all citizens of internationally administered Kosovo to help turn it into a multiethnic society.

Visiting this ethnically divided northern town, Ole Peter Kolby, Norway's U.N. ambassador who heads the delegation, called on both the ethnic Albanian majority and Serb minority to create "a more normal society" in order to bring peace and prosperity to the still tense province.

Kosovska Mitrovica is divided — and territorially split by a river — between a Serb-dominated north and an ethnic Albanian southern part. It has been repeatedly the scene of violent clashes in the past and remains one of Kosovo's flashpoints.

"We want Kosovo to be a multiethnic society. There should be room for everybody here, and it's also important that everybody tries to integrate," Kolby said.

The delegation of 15 Security Council ambassadors representing all countries represented on the body were on a three-day fact-finding mission in this U.N.-run province, hoping to put more pressure on its citizens to build a multiethnic and multicultural society.

On their arrival Saturday, Kolby told a gathering of international and local officials that the province could face a bleak future unless it commits itself more fully to building democratic institutions and warned of "self-isolation" if it fails to become a place where the rights of minorities are respected.

He said the majority should show tolerance toward minorities.

But delegation members also appealed to the minorities — mainly ethnic Serbs — to try harder to integrate into the ethnic Albanian-dominated province.

Ethnic Serbs live mainly in NATO-guarded enclaves and are often highly suspicious of any contact with ethnic Albanians. Although ethnically motivated incidents have decreased since the end of the war, hostility persists.

Delegates planned to travel on Monday to Belgrade to meet with Yugoslav leaders before returning to New York the following day.

Kosovo, formally a Yugoslav province, has been administered by the United Nations since June 1999, after a NATO-led air war halted a crackdown by Serb forces on separatist ethnic Albanians. An estimated 10,000 people were killed in the conflict, the majority of them ethnic Albanians.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; kosovo; serbia
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To: Fusion
The only real reason the ALbanians won the Kosovo war was because of NATO bombing. By themselves, they wouldn't have had a chance.In a straight-up fight, the Serbs stomped the KLA into the ground. The KLA may be good at irregular action, but not when it comes to conventional operations, which tend to favor the better armed conventional militaries of Serbia and to maybe somewhat of a lesser degree Macedonia. By the way, there is no such thing as a "Tetovo Republic". "Ancient Illyria" did not rule the Balkans, the ROman Empire did. Your great Illyrian warrior people got stomped into the ground by Rome's legions.

Perish Illyria, as the Legionaries no doubt said.

ROMA INVICTA, BABY!!!

Fusion passes gas, Illyria smells.
21 posted on 12/16/2002 5:45:03 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: bob808
"U.N. Security Council group urges tolerance and integration in Kosovo "

Translation: Kosovo is so extremely shafted, so very very far on the short end of the proverbial stick.

If you live there now, RUN, don't walk to the nearest border and keep on going.

22 posted on 12/16/2002 5:47:56 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: bob808
Albanians may very well end up being the center of gravity in the Balkans

That's correct. This is the same issue that will come and haunt Israelis -- their proportion of Arabs is about the same as Albanians in Serbia -- roughly 20 percent with a huge birth rate.

Some Israelis are suggesting "deporting" their Arab citizens as "undesirable" potential and real 5th column. Sounds preposterous, but so is their future. In another 50 years or so, Arabs will be the majority in the Jewish state, and then what?

Those who cling to Kosovo solution by "reintegrating" it are wrong. Dead wrong. The only possible "solution" for the Kosovo situation is for Serbs at this point to lick their wounds and try to salvage as much as possible: partition.

But what good will partition do if in the next 10 years or so there is another tidal wave of Albanians spilling into the Serb partition? The partition must be not just geographic but demographic as well. Albanians will have to decide where they will live -- and if they decide to live in Serbia, they will have to accept Serbia as their homeland.

Unlike Israel, Serbia is facing ethnic reality in her face from more than one source and must do something about it -- soon! Today, about 2/3 of Serbia's population are Serbs, which means that ever third person there is not an ethnic Serb. Serbia must come to grips with its ethnic issue and redefine the concept of ethnic groups there, or face national extinction in not such a distant future.

One of the reasons why multiculturalism has worked so far in countries like the U.S is because the immigrants become "absorbed" or "assimilated" in one, two, maybe three generations. Everybody in Amnerica can celebrate their culture, speak their language and so on at home and in private schools, but they are all expected to be Americans and speak English in public life. There are no autonomous provinces in the U.S. Geographic autonomy is simply a no-go.

Indian reservations are the closest thing to it, but they are officially "sovereign nations." In reality, they depend on the Federal Government and are expected to show allegience to it, so their sovereignty amounts to some conditional autonomy. More importantly, the American government can take a non-chalant attitude towards its Indian population because they are but 1% of the total number of Americans.

In Serbia, as it is in Israel, the minorities will not assimilate, and their proportion is physically a lot different and growing. Hungarians in Voyvodina may have been born there for generations, but thye won't say they are Hungarian-Serbians, no -- they call themselves "Hungarians from Voyvodina." In America, people of Italian descent -- one, two generations back -- refer to themselves as Italian-Americans.

In the Balkans, cultural and religious differences are treated as biological or genetic or racial attributes. There are no "Serbian genes" as there are no "Croatian genes." What makes one a Serb is a culutre, a way of life, and that is learned. No one is born a Serb!

So, Serbia needs to work on two issues: (1) secure it geographic and demographic integirty through pragmatic policies, even if it means counting losses and moving on, and (2) re-establishing its national identity and redefining ethnic autonomy to reflect culutral life and not political or territorial concepts. Above all, it must demand loylaty of its citizens to the country of their birth, and not to the country of their ancestoral origin.

Some tribes may have become extinct, but nations usually survive. Jews are a perfect example of that -- they survived because of their culture and not because of their land. Serbs have forgotten who they are; they have lost touch with their past, their history is illegible to them, their language unclear and disunified. They are an amateur nation at this point. We shall see if they have a survival instinct like the Israelis, or if they will go down the history lane as one of the major Darwin Awards recepients.

23 posted on 12/16/2002 6:07:54 PM PST by kosta50
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To: Supercooldude
Are you talking to me,dude?Talking to me?

What gave you an idea that I am a Serb?Maybe I am a Croat?

Racial hatred,Serbs???It is your lot and your Pavelich and Starchevich that surpassed even Nazis in chauvinism and hatred!As far as center of Balkan gravity go,dude,take a good look at the map:who controls major Euro-Asian Corridors?Who is central Balkan nation?630 km of river Danube is in Serbia,one of the major EEC developement projects.Wery well educated people and workforce(just like in Croatia,Slovenia),10 million population...Much better than neighbouring Bulgars,Romanians,Albanians!

You,papak,better take care of yourself,and don`t get into economy!And,don`t pick a fight with me,you`re not qualified!Save your wisdom for a church.

24 posted on 12/16/2002 6:08:37 PM PST by branicap
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To: Fusion
You do have a wicked sense of humour. Welcome back!
25 posted on 12/16/2002 6:14:40 PM PST by wonders
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To: branicap
Yes, all you say is obviously so. Why waste your breath on that silly kid?
26 posted on 12/16/2002 6:18:54 PM PST by wonders
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To: bob808
But delegation members also appealed to the minorities — mainly ethnic Serbs — to try harder to integrate into the ethnic Albanian-dominated province.

This odious Orwellian newspeak means that the last remaining Serb enclave is to be destroyed.

27 posted on 12/16/2002 6:19:18 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Fusion
You need to work on your history. Albaninas wish they were ancient Illyrians (as if that imparts some "noble" attribute to them). This is what everyone keeps parrotting without ever consulting some evidence-based historical research.


Raping and pillaging was everyone's business in the 6th century. I doubt the "descendents" of ancient Illyrinas took it to heart too much, as I am sure they have engaged in similar sports when the opportunity struck.

Besides, they hid in their mountains not to come out until the Turks came, so their contact with wild Slavic tribes was limited.


Unfortunately, Greater Albanina Empire is an oxymoron -- Albaninas were never much good at any form of organized government, let alone an empire.
28 posted on 12/16/2002 6:20:45 PM PST by kosta50
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To: kosta50
Raping and pillaging was everyone's business in the 6th century.

Yes, your ancestors and mine and everyone else's on this board, whether they care to admit it or not. You speak the truth here.

29 posted on 12/16/2002 6:33:47 PM PST by wonders
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To: wonders
Yes, your ancestors and mine and everyone else's on this board

Mythology tends to idealize one side and villify the other. Crusaders almost never reached the iddle East -- the place they set to go to in order to defend Christ's grave from the "infidels." They would get too distracted raping and pillalging Christian cities on their way that they had more than enough fun and loot to cut their excursions short.

One of the biggest mistakes in invoking the moral fiber of history is that fact that it is almost always "out of context." Trying to imply some modern 21st century moral outrage on illiterate and pagan Illyrians is a joke only and idiot can use as an "argument."

30 posted on 12/16/2002 8:46:04 PM PST by kosta50
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To: branicap
I've been exposed to him before. When he discusses dirty bombs going off at rush hour in Chicago, Houston and London, I wonder if he's got inside intelligence, or he's just fantasizing. Surely no one running for a political seat in this country wants to see millions killed.
31 posted on 12/16/2002 9:02:42 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Fusion; kosta50; Voronin; Wraith; Stavka2; joan; wonders; Incorrigible; Jacob Kell
Directed by the Colonel, from a small cafe in Tirana, the stunning attacks by the Kosovo Liberation Army in April of 1996 signalled to the entire Albanian world that the Serbs were about to be run out of Kosovo province.

Good to see you confess to the existence of the UCK's planned genocide!

32 posted on 12/17/2002 3:08:57 PM PST by F-117A
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To: F-117A; Hoplite; Fusion
Fusion is actually using reverse pychology. In glorifying Albaninas and citing dates and names as a true expert, he appears credible. His "in-your-face" Albanian approach is bound to cause disgust and revolt among readers, which is what he wants; it's much more effective than using lengthy arguments. Pysops work! But, I think Fusion is neither Albanian, nor a KLA supporter.
33 posted on 12/17/2002 6:25:57 PM PST by kosta50
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