To All Those Waiting to Crucify Lott

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[Tumbleweed_Connection]

1. 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed with Republican support, almost filibustered by Leftists. Gore’s father was one of those who was vehemently against it yet they escape judgment on their actions. It was passed against their vote.

2. If the same type of things were said/written about Byrd... how would the Leftists react? Why are you... selectively choosing our "candidate"?

3. Congress has worked with Lott for decades, why haven't they been exposed to consistent racial characteristics by Lott in the past?

4. Why has Thurmond remained silent?

5. What effects do Welfare and education have on segregation and racism? Until recent years which party has implemented reform on each? How did Lott vote?

6. Anyone recall Kennedy's one way conversations with ML King? When does it come time to "cleanse" for that?

7. Which party is being "cleansed"? How many of you... truly don't believe Lexus searches were run throughout last week? How far back was too far back during the Clinton administration? As many in our who were victims, what did the Leftists gain? What does it say to you... about today?

8. If you... are going to allow the Leftists (who assert they are free of segregation and racism) to publicly assault our party without demanding they look in their own mirror, what have you... accomplished?

[inkling]

I don't care what liberals think about Lott's comments. I care what I as a conservative think about Lott's comments. Throughout his career, Trent Lott has not been representative of me, my party or conservatism. Therefore, he should not be our leader.

Like you, I also wanted Lott out in the past. But I will not change my mind just because a liberal finally agrees with me. A strong majority leader is the Democrats' worst nightmare. That's why the vast majority of Dem Senators want Lott to stay.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

The crucification of Sen. Lott has nothing to do with civil rights as anyone with any brain knows. It is purely a political manuver...

"Anyone with any brain knows" that we are responsible for judgment on our actions. Repeating, the Civil Rights Act was almost denied to America because the Leftists.

You insist on the cleansing of our politicals and providing the other side with a free pass. What would it say about the Leftists if Lott were still in charge in January?

[vbmoneyspender]

Besides, who says you have to defend him? I, personally, am in the camp that would have wanted him out of the leadership a week ago, but today can't stand the thought of a bunch of race-baiters pushing him out for trying to be nice to a 100 year old man.

I don't understand that remark. Of course I don't have to defend him. I don't have to vote either or wake up in the morning and go to work. But I do those things because I want to. In the case of the Republican party, I defend it because I want to see more people become Republicans. And the reason I want to see more people become Republicans is because I believe the Republican party can do alot of good for this country if it is given the chance.

What I am guessing is that some people who are defending Lott's statement simply don't have too much of a grounding in the history of our country. Simply put, many blacks are very suspicious of voting Republican because they suspect rightly or wrongly that the Republican party is filled with people who view what was going on in the South up until the 1960s as not being such a bad thing. Some people say that the appropriate response to such an attitude is that if people can't figure out for themselves why the Republican party is good for the country then those people should be ignored. I say that such an attitude is stupidity personified. Convincing people to vote for conservative values is a constant battle that requires constant education because voting conservative typically does not result in an immediate payoff or in a tangible upfront benefit, as would be the case if you voted Democrat and got a new governmental entitlement. In any event, if Lott is going to remain as the third highest ranking Republican in the country, I am going to have to defend him and his stupid statements. Any help you could give me in explaining how I can defend what he said about Thurmond's run for the presidency in 1948 without looking like a lying Democrat would be appreciated.

[Mark17]

And if Lott were a dimocrat all would have been forgiven and forgotten by now.

If Lott were a Demon Cat, it would have never been brought up, so he would never have anything to be forgiven for.

[plain talk]

I just want to know if its true that Lott said he'd resign from the Senate if he was forced out of the leadership position. To me, this statement, if true, totally changes things. On the other hand there's no way we should turn over the Senate to the dems even partially via sharing. So I'm stuck on the precise tactic to take. I'm not one for emotional overreaction. But if this extortion statement is true, then eventually the Republicans must find a way to get rid of him as ML. This particular statement is more troubling to me than the whole matter to me.

[Chi-townChief]

A little off-topic but, IMHO, it would do black Americans a world of good to stop acting like a wholly-owned subsidiary of the democrat party at election time.

[Reagan Man]

>>>I don't care what liberals think about Lott's comments.

Then the tactics employed by liberals in the last week have worked on you. You're a prime example of that. This is politics in its simplest form and you've been duped into falling for the lefts race bait. You're not thinking at all.

[inkling]

Then the tactics employed by liberals in the last week have worked on you. You're a prime example of that. This is politics in its simplest form and you've been duped into falling for the lefts race bait. You're not thinking at all.

Before any liberals took a position on Lott, I wanted him gone. Despite all of their silly rhetoric, I haven't changed my position one iota. You, on the other hand, reversed your position. Who has been influenced?

[ampat]

I want to see Lott go because he is a coward, e.g. senate impeachment trial, but not because of this. If he were to leave now, it would only endorse all the things that are being said now.

[TLBSHOW]

Tell me how I defend this statement to friends I have that are black that I want to become Republicans?


5 posted on 12/14/2002 12:24 PM EST by vbmoneyspender


I KNOW WHAT YOU SAY

You send them to this (FR) web site because that is where they will get the truth.

and send them here to Jesse Lee Petersons web site.

http://www.bondinfo.org/

[vbmoneyspender]

How do you bootstrap my contempt for what Lott said into having to defend Clinton. Clinton is and was scum. The fact that you are putting what Lott said on the same level with what the Democrats have done (e.g. awarding Fulbright and medal, Byrd using the words "white nigger", etc.) demonstrates exactly why Lott should step down as majority leader. In order to defend him, I have to point to what the Democrats have done and say 'see they do it, too.' Not being a criminal defense attorney, that is not the kind of defense I would like to adopt.

As for you name-calling me a Democrat, I take it you have run out of arguments to defend your position. In any event, in response, I will note the following. I am a conservative Republican and I have donated monies to Newt Gingrich (when he was Speaker), Tom Delay and George W. Bush. I vote straight Republican tickets whenever a vote occurs and in the past I voted for George Bush, Sr. (twice), I also voted for Bob Dole and of course I voted for GWB.

[ampat]

And I wish Maxine "I don't know how to talk" Waters would shut up.

[KQQL]

LOTT plays HARDBALL with ROVE !!!

By Friday, tensions between the White House and Lott had grown. Sources say Lott made clear that if he were forced to step down from the Senate leadership, he would also likely resign his Senate seat, a significant development because Mississippi's current governor, Ronnie Musgrove, is a Democrat. He would appoint a replacement for Lott, presumably a Democrat, leaving the Republicans with a precarious one-seat margin.

Hmmm.....If Lott Quits the Senate, then McPAIN and Chafee will jump SHIP !!!!

[inkling]

Ronald Reagan once said, "you can accomplish a lot if you don't care who gets credit." Unfortunately, some Freepers who formerly wanted Lott gone, now want him to stay because they are terrified that the libs might get some credit. The Freepers are willing to hamstring our president and his war on terror for the next two years because they're afraid that their political opponents might get some kudos from the liberal press.

If the GOP tosses Lott, the GOP gets the lion's share of credit. The onus will then be on the Democrats to deal with "Sheets" Byrd and Hollings. Why do many conservatives are defending the anti-conservative Lott is simply beyond me.

[inkling]

Hmmm.....If Lott Quits the Senate, then McPAIN and Chafee will jump SHIP !!!!

Because we all know that Trent Lott's pride is FAR more important than conservatism, the GOP, the nation, the War on terror, a conservative judiciary, the American people, etc., etc. ...

[desertcry]

The fact the Lott doesn't seem willing..... I and many of my Republican/Conservative friends have never been too happy with Lott either as a majority or minority leader. And from the rumors I have read he is maybe too self absorbed to think about the Republican Party, and the Country 1st. We will have to see what he will do in the next few months. If he has any brains, and loyalty to the Republican Party and the USA, he must do something to repair the damage he has done. Which I beleive will require that he steps down as Majority leader, and let Senators Frist, Nichols, or any other Republican lead the Senate for a change. If Lott does not do this, then we will have problems BIG TIME in 2004, with demagogs like jackson, sharpton,....... running loose.

[Peach]

You miss my point. We don't have to lower ourselves to DNC standards to defend ourselves adequately. But you cannot ignore the moral hypocrisy of the Democrats who said not ONE WORD when Clinton bestowed the Presidential Medal of Honor on Fulbright, an avowed racist and segregationist. You asked what to tell your friends. I said you can tell them that everyone makes mistakes, even their Democratic officials, and give them the examples I posted to you previously. Yet, given the DNC mistakes, they seem to still vote Democrat. But you are worried they won't ever vote Republican because of the same sort of mistake made by one man. I don't understand the hypocrisy on their part, or the media's, or the Black Caucus.

I typed too quickly and didn't mean to imply that you are a Democrat, and should have reviewed my comments before hitting post. Trying to do too many things at once around the house so when my husband comes back from golf it won't look like all I did was Freep! Regards, Peach

[ValerieUSA]

Lott is a phony. Everything about his demeanor and his politics is phony. Who is the real Trent Lott?

He is a poster child for the word "tolerance" - a disgusting term used to create a false sense of a smiley face society answering the Rodney King plea to just let's all get along.

It's how he ran the Senate... getting along with a dangerous, selfish and unpatriotic Democratic president and his lying, blackmailing, criminal gang of character assassins. Trent was the "good man" who stood by and did nothing while bad men (and Hillary!) took over and had their way with America. Now they are coming to get him. I suppose his little feelings are hurt - which means the real Trent is about to expose himself. I guarantee it won't be pretty if the mask drops.

If I had to guess one way or the other, I would say Trent Lott is a racist. His professional "tolerance" of "African-Americans" smacks of the same hypocrisy seen in liberal Democrats who buy black votes with social programs that waste everyone's money and feed the crime and corruption and social unrest that eats away at the heart of our nation - the bond of citizenship in a land of liberty and opportunity.

We need America to strive for the goal of brotherhood - not tolerance. The brotherhood of Americans that is defined by respect for our own and each other's freedom and dignity and that brings high expectations and hopes and help that encourage and build each other up, regardless of race or personal circumstances.
We don't need Senators who fill quotas and show off "tolerance" with appeasement when they hire staff members, and then point to their colorful interns and claim to be men who are not offensive from their hearts, only from their heads.

Trent Lott is not the best that America can be - he is and always has been a hollow man - a phony. When the Republican Party fills its leadership with sincere, honorable, articulate, conservative men and women who say what they mean and follow their convictions, then we will attract people of dignity from across all the disappearing boundaries of race, income and region in our great land.

[Reagan Man]

You're still not thinking. I have made my position very clear on the thread. In addition, if Santorum, Frist, McConnell want to mount a special challenge to Lott's leadership position, I say, go for it. But this has developed into a tenuous situation and requires some pragmatic handling and a dose of compromise.

It would appear, you don't care if the Senate is handed over to Daschle and CO. You're being influenced. In politics, you've got to be able to think on multiple levels and not go around with blinders on, or with a closed mind.