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S.C. historian has praise for Grant
Charlotte dot com ^ | Dec. 08, 2002 | BRUCE SMITH

Posted on 12/09/2002 7:48:26 PM PST by stainlessbanner

Union general called innovative and `every bit the match of Lee'

MOUNT PLEASANT, S.C. - Ask any schoolboy and he'll tell you Robert E. Lee was a military genius while Ulysses S. Grant was a butcher, simply using the North's advantage in men and material to bludgeon the Confederates.

Not so, says historian Gordon Rhea, who has spent almost two decades meticulously researching and writing about the 1864 Overland Campaign in Virginia.

"There has been a shift in Grant's reputation in the past few years," Rhea says. "I think he has been painted into a corner of being a butcher, when in fact he was extremely thoughtful, very innovative and every bit the match of Lee."

Rhea, a lawyer who splits his time between South Carolina and St. Croix, has written four volumes of a projected five-book series on the pivotal Civil War campaign pitting the two generals.

He started writing the series in 1986 and the latest volume, "Cold Harbor: Grant and Lee May 26 -- June 3, 1864," was published this fall by the Louisiana State University Press.

The campaign was the string of battles over 46 days from the Wilderness until the armies got to Petersburg for what would be a 10-month siege.

Rhea, a Virginia native whose great-grandfather was a captain in a Confederate infantry, also disagrees with the conventional thinking that Gettysburg was the turning point of the war.

Although at Gettysburg Union troops turned back the Southern invasion, both armies had largely retooled by early 1864, Rhea says. The difference then was Grant had come east to face Lee after his victories in the West.

"The turning point of the entire Civil War would be when Grant took command. He had a completely different way of doing things," said Rhea, who holds a master's degree in history from Harvard.

In the war's early years, armies fought, disengaged for weeks or months, then fought again. Grant kept fighting, even after some battles other generals would consider defeats.

"He realized you had to attack the Confederates and keep fighting so they can't refit and organize," says Rhea, who adds Grant also coordinated attacks in the East and West so the Confederates couldn't shift men between the two theaters.

Grant also realized the object was not to conquer the South but to defeat Lee's army.

Much of Grant's reputation as a butcher stems from Cold Harbor, where Union troops repeatedly charged in unsuccessful attempts to dislodge heavily entrenched Confederates.

"The traditional picture is that he was a man who always made head-on attacks and didn't care how many men he lost," Rhea says. "He was actually a master of maneuver. He never made attacks unless he felt he had a reasonable chance of succeeding."

At Cold Harbor, Union forces were just seven miles from Richmond and Grant sensed Lee's army was quite weak. "There's a river behind Lee's army, so Grant realizes if he can break Lee at this point, that's the end of it," Rhea says.

The attack itself was handled by Grant's subordinate, Gen. George Meade, who won at Gettysburg but "botched" Cold Harbor. "Only about half the Union army moved forward. There was virtually no communication between units, and the ground was not reconnoitered," Rhea says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aggression; civilwar; confederate; dixie; general; grant; lee; overland; relee; wbts
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So what did you expect from a Harvard grad?
1 posted on 12/09/2002 7:48:26 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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"He was actually a master of maneuver. He never made attacks unless he felt he had a reasonable chance of succeeding."

Acutally, the only thing Grant could master is the bottle. Grant had the luxury of waiting, superior numbers, supply lines, etc. Rea's is a flawed comparison.

2 posted on 12/09/2002 7:52:51 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
While I yield to no one in my admiration for Marse Robert, I am coming to the conclusion that Grant was one of the most skillful generals of the War of Northern Agression. His most rabid critic mus admit that the Vicksburg Campaign of May - July, 1863 was a masterpiece, especially the manuevering to Jackson and back to Vicksburg.

We do no dishonor to General Lee if we admit that Grant was a masterful general.

3 posted on 12/09/2002 7:58:02 PM PST by bagman
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To: stainlessbanner
Actually, I've been saying for many years that Grant never seemed to get the credit he deserved in prosecuting that war. The argument whether it was Grant or Lee who was the more accomplished general will wage forever and mean nothing. They were both fine leaders in there own way.

The idea of "Grant, the Butcher" was always nonsense. His predecessors expended 100,000 soldiers and accomplished nothing. Grant expended 60,000 and won.

If you look at Grant's participation in that war from the beginning, every place he went an unmistakable aura of competence permeated the ground. It's always been my impression that the US has produced some great warriors in its history. I don't think Grant needs to take a back seat to any of them.

4 posted on 12/09/2002 8:00:12 PM PST by stevem
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To: stainlessbanner
Grant did fine as a General. It's not hard to compare him to other Generals in the same army who were utter failures, like Joseph Hooker.

However, he was the worst President we had for 100 years until we elected Carter.

5 posted on 12/09/2002 8:03:12 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: stainlessbanner
So what did you expect from a Harvard grad?

Personally, I think the guy has got a valid point of view. Without herein refighting the entire campaign, Grant's determination to hold on to Lee's belt buckle, to continually flank to his < Grant's> left, and then to pin Lee into a defensive (immobile) siege position from the South, interdicting Lee's lines of communication and supply while Sherman et al mostly coordinated their campaigns with his, may not have been a brilliantly inspired strategy in the classical sense, but it ultimately proved to be a winner.

6 posted on 12/09/2002 8:03:16 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: bagman
Halleck protected Grant from himself for a long time. Thomas made Grant successful.
7 posted on 12/09/2002 8:11:35 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: SamKeck
Grant knew the Southerners would not stop fighting unless he made it so darn miserable for them they could not fight any longer, so he refused to let Lee have time to get more troops and supplies.Instead of going into camp and rearming, he did not give Lee any relief. All the time Sherman was cutting a swath through the heart of the South Georgia South Carolina, North Carolina, tearing up rails and making sure that no help could get to Lee.

Also Grant was the first Union General to use the Calvary as it should have been used.Up until Grant, the Calvary had been used to guard the flanks of the Union Army. Grant reorganized the Calvary, and placed it under the command of General Reno, and turned them lost to cut and slash through the Rebel Army any place they found them.Destroy rail lines and destroy supplies where ever they could find them..

Also it is indeed a pleasure to see so many posters that are interested in the Civil War. This war was the deciding war, that defined who we would be. The Revolution set us up as a Nation, but the Civil War decided who we would be as a country. A nation of free men.
8 posted on 12/09/2002 8:22:38 PM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: Dog Gone
You are right about Grant's predecessors. He stood out b/c he actually did something, not brilliant, but effective. Grant realized the numbers game, and he played it.

As for his presidency, I assume you are referring to the Union-Pacific and Whiskey Ring Scandals.

9 posted on 12/09/2002 8:41:52 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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I disagree with your estimation of Grant. First he gave free reign to some of his subordinates who were exellent Generals in ther own right. Sherman and Pap Thomas were both subordinate to Grant originally and their two armies did more to destroy the Confederacy than the Army of the Potomac until late 1864 and early 1865. It was Grant who successfully split the Confederacy with his Vicks burg campaign and his entire operations in the West.

Grant realized the basic truth that great Generals from Alexander of Macedonia through Julius Ceaser to Napolean that lesser Generals think tactics great generals think logistics. He knew the Union had vastly superior logistics and when he was the Supreme Union Commander he coordinated his forces to eliminate the resupply of the South. In a sense he vindicated the original Annaconda strategy propounded by Winfield Scott.

After the Death of Thomas Jackson Lee's victories were very few in number. Robert E. Lee was a truly great General and a fine honorable man. U. S. Grant was also a truly great General and deserving of resapect as a fine and honorable man for his decisions at Appomatix Courthouse if for no other reason.

The scandals of his presidency in no way were a mark of any personal corruption on his part and this gentlemanis worthy of great respect.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

10 posted on 12/09/2002 9:00:03 PM PST by harpseal
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To: BooBoo1000
General Reno died at South Mountain MD, a year and a half before Grant was the head of the Union Army. I think the Cavalry was headed by Sheridan and Custer(by proxy). On that note, the loss of Jeb Stuart during the overland campaign was pretty much the final stake for Lee's Army- although some say the South never had a chance from the get go, and that their only hopeful strategy was to buy enough time to create northern dissent as well as dissent abroad.
11 posted on 12/09/2002 9:07:25 PM PST by Garden Island
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To: BooBoo1000
"Also Grant was the first Union General to use the Calvary... "

jeb stuart? did what then?

12 posted on 12/09/2002 9:35:44 PM PST by hoot2
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To: stainlessbanner
Unlike his incompetent predecessors, Grant was held in high regard by Confederate generals. If I am not mistaken, at least one of them (Johnston?) was a pallbearer at his funeral...
13 posted on 12/09/2002 9:41:22 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: hoot2
He was the prominent Confederate general who used cavalry effectively early in the War. Confederate officers weren't considered Union officers, were they?
14 posted on 12/09/2002 9:54:13 PM PST by fire and forget
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To: hoot2
You are corect Jeb Stuart was very effective for the South, but the Northern Calvary was ill used until Gen Phil Sheridan took it over.
15 posted on 12/09/2002 9:57:38 PM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: Garden Island
And was it not Custers' troops that got Jeb?
16 posted on 12/09/2002 10:03:22 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: stainlessbanner
Certainly a president who could choose between Lee and Grant to command his army would have a wealth of riches.

However, assuming they were both great generals, which would you choose?

I'd choose Lee. Here's why.

Take Grant in Spring 1864 and put him in charge of the Army of Northern Virginia and think what would he have done different or better than Lee did? I can't think of too much. By 1964, ANV was half the size of the Yankee Army of the Potomac, it's cavalry was wasted to the point of it could no longer fight squarly against the northern cavalry, or even raid. It could barely cover the flanks and rear of the army. Also, the ANV's supply sitation was about done.

Now, put Lee in charge of the AOP instead of the ANV. What could I picture Lee doing differently? He would have divided his army into hard hitting corps, ranging far into the less mobile and much smaller ANV's flanks and rear. He would have hit them from rear and flanks until the ANV dissolved on its way back to Richmond.

In my mind there's no question, Lee was the better general, though they were both very good.
17 posted on 12/09/2002 10:25:20 PM PST by Beernoser
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To: stainlessbanner
Thomas made Grant successful.

How did he do that from Tennessee?

18 posted on 12/09/2002 10:43:03 PM PST by Restorer
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To: stainlessbanner
Ulysses S. Grant was a butcherIf Lee had been the one forced to take the offensive, he would have suffered huge losses, as he did at Gettysburg.

The basic problem was that the defensive was getting constantly stronger in this period. This continued right up through 1918, when (semi) reliable tanks finally broke the battlefield wide open.

In the WBTS, both sides were attempting to use Napoleonic tactics against weapons systems closer to those of today than to those Napoleon faced.

19 posted on 12/09/2002 10:49:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: stainlessbanner
Acutally, the only thing Grant could master is the bottle. Grant had the luxury of waiting, superior numbers, supply lines, etc. Rea's is a flawed comparison.

The Vicksburg campaign is a classic in manuever. The Virginia campaign against Lee was just Grant pinning him against Richmond. Grant realized that Lee could never win with Sherman pinning down the rest of the South.

20 posted on 12/10/2002 1:05:47 AM PST by glorgau
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