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Finnish investigator (of "Racak Massacre") Helena Ranta to testify at Milosevic trial
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| Tuesday 26.11.2002
| Helsingin Sanomat
Posted on 11/26/2002 8:36:55 AM PST by Destro
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posted on
11/26/2002 8:36:55 AM PST
by
Destro
To: *balkans
The Kosovo part of the trial is over and now the judges will introduce evidence about events in Kosovo?
2
posted on
11/26/2002 8:37:40 AM PST
by
Destro
To: vooch
bump
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posted on
11/26/2002 8:38:27 AM PST
by
Destro
To: Destro
I really have never believed the Serbs did for many reasons. First it was too timely and second one of the victims had their head cut off Muslim style. It is most likely the KLA, UCK or whatever you what to call those Muslim terrorist. But now I'm beginning to think it could have been some of Clinton's spooks. Clinton needed this war to happen and I wouldn't put it past them.
To: Andy from Beaverton
The Racak report said NO ONE WAS DECAPITAED. Albanian reports of such decapitactions were fabrications. Nor did investigators find any body mutilated by human hands despite what "Albaian eye witness" reports stated.
Pericles (remember him?) posted great articles on the Racak matter.
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posted on
11/26/2002 8:50:59 AM PST
by
Destro
Comment #6 Removed by Moderator
To: Destro
I thought The Racak report was not made 'public' and that
Gemany (NATO) assigned the task to Finland. The world
anxiously awaited the results only to have them 'stamped
secret' by Germany. Reason, as I remember being, they were
too 'gruesome'.
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posted on
11/26/2002 10:46:48 AM PST
by
duckln
To: duckln
The Finnish report was published, and it's
on the net. However, the Serbian and Belarussian forensic reports, which were compiled under the auspices of the OSCE, and which are much more damning to the West because they indicate a presence of gunpowder on the hands of the Racak bodies, seem to be completely unavailable for some reason.
By the way, when you look at the Finnish report, you may notice something else missing: the name of Dr. Helena Ranta. Despite what this article intimates, she was not a part of the Finnish team when the report was written. Her testimony needs to be considered in that light.
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posted on
11/26/2002 11:28:04 AM PST
by
inquest
Comment #9 Removed by Moderator
To: inquest
Please do not misrepresent this academic paper, written by three members of Ranta's team, as "The Finnish report". That report (1428 pages) was given to Milosevic's representatives in Pristina in March of '99, and has not been published on the net to date.
People get into trouble for making misrepresentations, you know?
Color within the lines, inquest.
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posted on
11/26/2002 12:45:38 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
Well, because you said please, I'll accept your correction. In fact, thank you for your correction. So, to what extent was Ranta involved in the actual official report?
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posted on
11/26/2002 6:31:19 PM PST
by
inquest
To: inquest
12
posted on
11/27/2002 8:13:21 AM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
All they're referring to is
this. Talk about "misrepresentation". Sheesh.
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posted on
11/27/2002 12:13:33 PM PST
by
inquest
To: inquest
Read it again.
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posted on
11/27/2002 12:39:11 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
If you want to believe that they're referring to the 1428-page report you mentioned, and not to the report I linked to, don't let me stop you.
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posted on
11/27/2002 6:15:36 PM PST
by
inquest
To: inquest
And if you cannot differentiate between 'comments' and a report, you're more a fool than I had thought.
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posted on
11/29/2002 4:38:17 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
Read the top line of the link at #13. No, not the date. Below that.
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posted on
11/30/2002 8:07:32 AM PST
by
inquest
To: Hoplite; inquest; *balkans; Destro; wonders; Wraith; Torie
Hoplite posted:
Please do not misrepresent this academic paper, written by three members of Ranta's team, as "The Finnish report". That report (1428 pages) was given to Milosevic's representatives in Pristina in March of '99, and has not been published on the net to date. hmmmm.....forensic dentist Ranta must sure have been writing dang fast for those "1428 pages" were written in something like 7 days........wonder her keyboard didn't catch fire [sarcasam off]........
another strikeout for those whiney HumWarriors.....
The 'academic paper' ( which Hoplite mentioned and inquest provided a link to ) is indeed the Full and Complete Finnish Forensic Report, and Dentist Ranta's name is absent from it meaning she was either kicked off the team or resigned.
and everyone should please note, the HumWarriors still insist on using statments from Ranta the discredited forensic dentist.........however one will never ever see any HumWarrior ever refer to the Full and Complete Finnish Forensic Report...........of course not, because the HumWarriors manifestly DO NOT want anyone to see what the Finnish experts actually did find...........
Hey does anyone recall why the Finns were even in the area to start with ? Does the name Glodenje ring a bell ?
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posted on
12/04/2002 9:39:59 PM PST
by
vooch
To: Destro; vooch; inquest; Hoplite; duckln; Andy from Beaverton; Wraith; getoffmylawn
One of the most important points clarified by the scientific paper from the Finnish team (link in comment #8) is that
out of 40 bodies only one displayed "Signs of contact or close-range firing" (see Table 3; note that the word "firing", which is used in the text, is substituted in the table by the word "discharge"). The lack of close range firing demonstrates that the "execution" scenario is a lie concocted by the KLA, imposed on the "witnesses" (presumably under threat of death of self or family at the hands of the KLA) and parroted by western KLA patrons (starting with the repulsive William Walker) and by gullible (or hypocritic) media.
Having debunked the execution scenario, by far the most likely scenario of the civilian Racak dead is that some of them fought willingly and some (probably most if not all) were forced by the KLA to fight. The KLA knew that most of these poor guys would die in a battle with Serbian forces, making excellent propaganda. This is probably what Ranta means when talking vaguely about a "crime against humanity" without being specific.
To: pythagorean; vooch; inquest; Hoplite; duckln; Andy from Beaverton; Wraith; getoffmylawn
Or that many of the Albanian dead were used as human shields by the KLA. Thus you can charge the Serbs with "crimes against humanity" (violations of the Geneva conventions) for firing at the KLA through civilians, in other words conducting military operations in an area where civilians are in the way of the fighting. Clever of the KLA, eh?
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posted on
12/05/2002 9:23:48 AM PST
by
Destro
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