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To: Reagan Man
The new Homeland Security Department is an effort to make certain aspects of the federal bureaucracy operate in a more efficient and effective manner.

Let me repeat what I said on another thread to a similar comment:

The sheep's naiveté knows no bounds.

Sure, government bureaus are famous for their efficiency and effectiveness, and the bigger they are, the more effective they are. Right?!

This boondogle will definitely cause a lot of American citizens unnecessary trouble, but the terrorists are safer now than they have ever been.

...this reorganization effort doesn't harm the liberty and freedom all American's cherish...

I don't know what "liberty" you cherish, but suspect you cherish "liberty from personal responsibility" (i.e. security) above liberty to live you life without government interference.

I would rather take my chances with the terrorists than with a government which has the power to search my person or property without a warrant or warning, to force me to inject a substance in my body whether I choose to or not or to imprison me if I choose not obey orders to relocate, give up my property, or any other thing any so-called "emergency" requires.

Maybe they won't use the power to reduce our freedom even more than it has already been reduced, but then people used to believe government would not use its power of confiscate one third of their wages.

Hank

7 posted on 11/25/2002 4:17:04 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
The sheep's naiveté knows no bounds.

Well said!

Would the Republicans in the House, and Senate who have been pushing this, have given this power to Bill Clinton? Does anyone think the ignorant voters will never elect another like Clinton?

8 posted on 11/25/2002 4:27:41 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: Hank Kerchief
What are you, a communist? </sarcasm>
9 posted on 11/25/2002 4:57:53 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Hank Kerchief
Since you're obviously, anti-government to the core, I can't take anything you say seriously. But I will address one fallacy you mentioned.

>>>I don't know what "liberty" you cherish, but suspect you cherish "liberty from personal responsibility" (i.e. security) above liberty to live you life without government interference.

On this specific issue of liberty versus security (safety), I have to say, both you and old Ben Franklin are dead wrong.

Franklin said:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

We haven't lost any of our essential liberty or basic freedom either. And besides, Franklin wasn't living in the 21st century and facing the immoral and destructive capability of international terrorism. So I will excuse old Ben Franklin in that regard. OTOH, you should know better, except your blind to the realities of the modern world.

I also suggest every American take advantage of the second amendment. I know, I do. Self defense is a right that is critical to living in America. We can't expect LE to be there under all circumstances.

However, when it comes to frying bigger fish, it is the Constitutional duty of the federal government, to serve, protect and defend the American people, from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Patrick Henry said: "Give me liberty, or give me death". Henry didn't say, if you inconvenience me, or annoy me, or bother me, you should "give me death". I suggest you get your head out of the 18th century and join the 21st century.

11 posted on 11/25/2002 5:01:36 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Hank Kerchief
"The sheep's naiveté knows no bounds."

So says Chicken Little, anyway.

So, what SPECIFIC liberty and/or freedom was lost today when the Homeland Security bill was signed into law?

Oh, that's right, the poster for this thread couldn't manage to identify it...

12 posted on 11/25/2002 5:04:25 PM PST by Southack
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To: Hank Kerchief
I would rather take my chances with the terrorists . . .

I'll gladly buy you one-way airfare to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, or Indonesia if you promise to stay there.

22 posted on 11/25/2002 5:36:19 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Hank Kerchief

Perhaps you would be happier over at www.anarcho-taliban-republic.com.

25 posted on 11/25/2002 5:42:22 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Hank Kerchief
Tis a great pity, that you and the rest of THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING sheep can't distinguish between paranoid propaganda and reality.
63 posted on 11/25/2002 7:54:38 PM PST by nopardons
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