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(Seattle)Monorail losing by three votes in latest count(out of 185,000 votes cast)
Seattle Times ^ | 11/18/02 | Seattle Times staff

Posted on 11/18/2002 9:04:01 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat

New Seattle vote counts released at 3:43 p.m. today show the proposal to build a 14-mile city monorail trailing by three votes. There are 92,435 ballots in favor of a monorail and 92,438 against.

Remaining to be counted are perhaps 1,000 to 2,000 "special ballots," which include those ballots given to people who couldn't reach the right polling place on Election Day or who are legal voters but could not be located in voter logs kept at the polls. There are around 6,000 such ballots in King County as a whole.

Another update is due tomorrow, with official final counts scheduled on Wednesday.

If the measure loses, chairman Tom Weeks of the Elevated Transportation Co., which wrote the plan for $1.75 billion monorail connecting Ballard, downtown, and West Seattle, said that the ETC would likely close. However, a very narrow loss also leaves open the possibility that future monorail activists could try another initiative on a later ballot.

A recount is not required on ballot measures, but either side could pay for one to be done.

To have a recount conducted, someone would need to produce a deposit in the form of a check. The cost is 25 cents a ballot for a hand count, which in this case would be about $46,700. A machine count costs 15 cents per ballot, or $28,000. After the recount is finished, an actual cost would be determined by the King County Canvassing Board to calculate a refund or an additional bill to the requesting party.

To prevail, the monorail measure needs to wind up at 50 percent plus one vote.

"If there is a tie, the issue fails," said Bob Roegner, head of King County elections.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: disneyland; excesstaxes; margesimpson; monorail; springfieldvotedno; transportationlist; wasteomoney
The tax to fund it was a car tax of $140 per $10,000 of assessed value.

IIRC, monorail costs were projected to average $125 million per mile. Light-rail averages $30-80 million per mile(Seattle has already screwed that up, gerrymandered route that will stop a mile OUTSIDE the airport), buses are far, far, far cheaper.

1 posted on 11/18/2002 9:04:01 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Willie Green
I believe this is up your alley.
2 posted on 11/18/2002 9:05:11 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat; generalissimoduane
Ping for Mr. H-
3 posted on 11/18/2002 9:15:29 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Diddle E. Squat
HHMMMMMM.....wonder what # were fraudulent votes..
4 posted on 11/18/2002 9:18:49 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Diddle E. Squat
When I used to work downtown it was sometimes quicker to walk from Queen Anne then wait for the bus if it was a non-rush hour time. And by non-rush hour I mean after 6PM. You can't take the bus if you work outside of 9-5.
5 posted on 11/18/2002 9:57:26 PM PST by lelio
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To: lelio
Once again Seattle proves why it will not solve it's transportation problems. A Long time ago, in a far away age Seattle turned down a public transit system -- Atlanta than said they would take it.

Seattle Deserves what it gets!

Thank God I live in Montana, and do not put up with the wonderful traffic in I-520 or the I-90 Bridges.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 11:20:01 PM PST by GaryMontana
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Has anyone ever seen that Simpson's episode, where the town of Springfield is duped into buying a monorail, by some schiester? This immediately came to mind. Hilarious.
7 posted on 11/19/2002 3:29:01 AM PST by Schmedlap
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To: Schmedlap
LOL! The monorail song was going thru my head when I read the thread title also!
8 posted on 11/19/2002 3:41:53 AM PST by tamu
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To: tamu
"What did you see?"

"Nothing incriminating!"

9 posted on 11/19/2002 6:32:49 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I saw this headline, walking to work this morning, and it made my day.

While this piece of crap idea isn't dying the death it deserves, hopefully it will go away.

FReepers unfamiliar with the Seattle Monorail idea just wouldn't believe how inane the whole concept is.  Some of the highlights are - the planners are figuring 65,000 riders a day (Ya. Right) and have budgeted...get this...1,400 parking spots total.

They say this will work because "most of the riders will transfer from buses" coming down the I-5 corrider however, the transfer IS NOT FREE like when you transfer bus to bus.

Furthermore, the Ballard station is way, way, way out of the way.  Coming down I-5 and cutting over to Ballard, instead of shooting directly downtown which is another 4 miles or so, would add 20-30 minutes to your commute.  And for what?  To have to pay more money and wait outside for the privilege of riding the Monorail?

 

10 posted on 11/19/2002 8:33:24 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Diddle E. Squat; *Transportation_List
Seattle Monorail Wins

It pays to wait until the final votes are tallied.

Bwahahahahaha!

11 posted on 11/19/2002 3:51:50 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Listen - there are a lot of folks in Ballard that have relatives in West Seattle and vice-versa. It's only right that we build a monorail to facilitate their ability to visit each other.

Hell, its only $1.4Billion; with all the whining you'd think we had better uses for the money.

12 posted on 11/25/2002 12:50:18 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Oh, it won by eight hundred odd votes. How it did so is detailed here: Seattle Propaganda-Intelligencer Story

Even the U-Dub kiddies voted against it - their own COL will be going up. Precisely how this differs from demanding a 9-cent-per-gallon tax on gasoline so the farmers in Cheney can pay for that new road in the U District escapes me, but they did vote for the latter...

13 posted on 11/25/2002 1:02:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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