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I am so angry I can barely write. Fritz: you put Hitler into power, who unleashed more hell and misery than can be described. My family livedf through the hell of the Blitz; I've been to Auschwitz and seen what you monsters did. If there had been true justice we would have beaten you to death as a nation, smashed you into a million pieces and never let you get up again. And now you complain about Winston? Shut up.

Ivan


1 posted on 11/18/2002 5:07:02 PM PST by MadIvan
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82 posted on 11/18/2002 7:32:06 PM PST by Dark Wing
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I hear you Ivan. My mom is from Bristol. She survived the German bombardments. They bombed Bristol every night for about two years. They made sure to hit churches and hospitals and old cathedrals and beloved places. The entire center of the city was decimated.

Germany, under Schroeder, is becoming a worry again!

88 posted on 11/18/2002 7:54:25 PM PST by Sunsong
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I have four times taken people to visit Dachau. The experience makes me so sick that the last two times I have been obliged to wait outside for my friends.

I have also worked for and around several Germans since I was stationed there in the early 70's. I assure you much of the generation that fought the war thinks Hitler's only problem was that he didn't finish off the Jew's.

95 posted on 11/18/2002 8:18:54 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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" Mr Friedrich claims the British government set out at the start of the Second World War to destroy as many German cities and kill as many of their inhabitants as possible. "

That should be the goal of EVERY national leader who is engaged in all-out war.

97 posted on 11/18/2002 8:23:02 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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Jerry's got some f**king cheek doesn't he?

My dad had a V-2 land in his street. Blew a dozen people to bits. I'll have to show this to him and see how much sympathy he can muster up for the poor downtrodden Krauts.

F**king Huns haven't changed a bit.

-ccm

98 posted on 11/18/2002 8:46:30 PM PST by ccmay
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“There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, war is all hell and cannot be refined" -William T. Sherman
“Everything, everything in war is barbaric....But the worst barbarity of war is that it forces men collectively to commit acts against which individually they would revolt with their whole being.” -Ellen Key
“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” -Douglas MacArthur
“The end of war is not battle, but the defeat of the adversary.” -Basil Henry Liddell Hart
“It is not the big armies that win battles, it is the good ones.” -Maurice de Saxe
101 posted on 11/18/2002 8:53:32 PM PST by dread78645
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Yank to Fritz: GO TO HELL!!!!!!! Churchill saved Western Civilzation from the likes of your statist asses and woke us up to the Commies. F**K YOU!!!!!
104 posted on 11/18/2002 9:29:55 PM PST by Sparta
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That German crap is so incredibly sick. I am beyond words. Maybe the nukes should have been used on Berlin.
108 posted on 11/18/2002 9:43:10 PM PST by CARepubGal
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In all fairness, the Germans have a point. No, I'm not calling Churchill a war criminal. But the fact is that the allied bombing campaign was deliberately intended to kill women and kids, and strike terror in the civilian population. Was it justified, given the horrible regime we were fighting? I personally wrestle with the answer to that one. We simply couldn't let the Nazis win, and I don't see how we could have prevented it without leveling entire cities in Germany and Japan. But that doesn't make the actual doing of it any the less horrific.
111 posted on 11/18/2002 9:48:41 PM PST by ArcLight
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"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat... (and a can of whoop@$$ for those bloody Huns!)"

112 posted on 11/18/2002 9:48:43 PM PST by Pyro7480
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Lets back off a minute and see what we are dealing with.

This is an English newspaper article about a German tabloid's serialization of a history book.

The German tabloid, Das Bild, (The Picture)lives up to its name. It primary attraction is a revealing picture of a copiously endowed fraulein on the front page, below the fold, with statistics in case her charms are not evident enough from the picture. Das Bild is marginally more trustworthy than The National Enquirer.

I can tell you that right now German television is running a documentary on the SS which is unsparing it its presentation of the Hitler Time. Scarcely a week goes by without a similiar presentation on German television. To jump to a conclulion that such a history book represents mainstream thought in Germany is lecherlich.

Schröder's election shows that Germany,if anything, is suffering from a creeping, leftist, pacifist malaise which could not be further removed from a facist revival. Lets worry about something real, like why the Germans are more like the French than the English, instead of flying off the handle because of third hand reports contrived to get a rise out good honest Brits and Americans.

116 posted on 11/18/2002 10:04:33 PM PST by nathanbedford
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Germans call Churchill a war criminal

I wouldn't be suprised if they (German Neonazis) would soon deny they ever started any war.

120 posted on 11/18/2002 10:43:15 PM PST by Anticommie
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Herr Goebbels asked if the German people wanted "Total War", they said "Ja." Be careful what you ask for.
122 posted on 11/18/2002 10:58:45 PM PST by dfwgator
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Cheers for the ping, Ivan. Bloody unbelievable!

I mentioned this article to Agnieszka (my wife), who happens to be Polish: she couldn't stop laughing at their cheek. Well, laughing, then angry.

This time last year we visited Warsaw and she was showed me the various places that massaces happened and the photos in the museum showing what was left of the city after the Germans had finished with it. I have no sympathy for the Germans.

139 posted on 11/19/2002 1:32:56 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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WILL THE GERMAN NAZIES AND LEFTISTS EVER CONCEDE DEFEAT HONORABLY AND GRANTED OUR CREDIT OF HAVING STOPPED

THEIR WAR THAT THEY BIGUN BUT DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT AND PUT THEIR OWN CIVILIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS BODY SHIELDS AND YOUTH MURDER TROOPS!!!!

SOME ONE TELL THOSE FUCKING DISHONORABLE LEFTIST FASCIST GERMANS THAT THEY CANNOT START ANOTHER WAR THAT WE ENDED

SOMEONE TELL THEM THAT IF NEED BE OF FURTHER DISARMAMENT THEY BE GAGGED!!!!!!! THEY ARE TO DISARM AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT, NOT US, IN ALL HONOR!!!!

ALL LEFTISTS AND NAZI FASCISTS ARE FAGGOT WAR MONGERS THAT NEED TO GO TO HELL!!! GUANTANAMO OR GUYANA IS THEIR FIRST STOP!!!!


143 posted on 11/19/2002 1:52:08 AM PST by lavaroise
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Hey Ivan, I had the pleasure of being stationed at RAF Mildenhall (USAF here) from Feb 94-Jun 96 and aside from the few anti-nuke nuts we dealt with, the Brits are some of the greatest people I have ever met. I will always remember my time there as some of the happiest days of my life.

Don't mind the krauts, they were just as pithy and boring when I went there for a few months. WE know the truth, and that shall stand us in good stead.

One thing though, could ya get your fellow blokes to stop calling us colonists? Kinda stings! Hahahahaha! :)
144 posted on 11/19/2002 1:57:21 AM PST by Audit_Jesse
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The suffering of the population in London is far more relevant. After all, the citizens of London didn't vote in Hitler. Same goes for Jewish civilians in the occupied countries the Germans brutally slaughtered - Ivan

Exactly right!

Not just Britain --- the Poles, the Ukranians, the Russians, whether Jews or Gentiles, men or women, young or old, did not vote for Hitler and had their villages raised to the ground by him and those who did.

If you don't like how Brits and, in particular, Churchill fight, don't start the war.

Ivan, this reminds me of Shaw, the wittiest of the witty Brits, yet apparently the nuttiest (of socialist variety) as well. In reply to his pacifistic remarks, someone asked, "What should we do if Hitler crosses the Channel and lands on the British Isles?" He replied: "We should meet him with open arms."

This line of thinking was alive and well long ago. I find it interesting, that even the scale and consequences of WWII have not taught these people a lesson. If that was instructive for self-haters, nothing will probably be. Visiting Auschwitz can touch one's heart and elicit profound thoughts about the nature of man. But one has to have a heart and a brain for that. It appears that the heartless will never learn, no matter what evidence you put before them. So today, those who did nothing for Britain and try to take away her heritage poke at Churchill in his grave, someone to whom that country owes a great deal. May these people not become the majority.

149 posted on 11/19/2002 4:53:52 AM PST by TopQuark
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Germans just love making Jew Killers the victims.
152 posted on 11/19/2002 5:13:45 AM PST by Always Right
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Thanks for the article Ivan. It's sad to see that some Germans still see themselves as victims. I visited Dachau a few years ago and still shudder when I think of what I saw. How on earth can anyone be so filled with inhumane hate?

BTW, I looked at your profile and just laughed when I read Heros? the hunter who shot Bambi's mum. My co-workers are wondering about me now.

154 posted on 11/19/2002 5:51:04 AM PST by Reaganomics
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To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "The bombing starts in five minutes." Here we come Fritz.
156 posted on 11/19/2002 6:27:56 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr
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