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I am so angry I can barely write. Fritz: you put Hitler into power, who unleashed more hell and misery than can be described. My family livedf through the hell of the Blitz; I've been to Auschwitz and seen what you monsters did. If there had been true justice we would have beaten you to death as a nation, smashed you into a million pieces and never let you get up again. And now you complain about Winston? Shut up.

Ivan


1 posted on 11/18/2002 5:07:02 PM PST by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 11/18/2002 5:07:21 PM PST by MadIvan
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Bump for Winston, for dealing with what the world wanted to believe wasn't there.
3 posted on 11/18/2002 5:10:05 PM PST by July 4th
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I am speechless. My uncle went to Auschwitz and said that it still smells like smoke there. Once the all of the WWII generation has passed, I really fear what is going to happen over there.
4 posted on 11/18/2002 5:12:02 PM PST by Aggie Mama
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I am angry at this as well. Winston Churchill is arguably the greatest man of the 20th Century. The Germans were treated exceedingly well after the war by the Allies despite the atrocities they committed and not only did we rebuild that country but have built them into one of the world's largest economies. And this is the thanks we get?
5 posted on 11/18/2002 5:12:40 PM PST by SamAdams76
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Of course these Nazis had no problem with Hitler trying to kill every citizen living in London. The Nazis started the bombing of innocent civilians when they invaded Poland and when they helped their Fascist buddies in Spain.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 5:12:55 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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Is this the very definition of "cheek", or does this qualify as "unmitigated gall"?
7 posted on 11/18/2002 5:14:22 PM PST by wimpycat
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was effectively a war criminal who sanctioned the extermination of Germany's civilian population through indiscriminate bombing of towns and cities, an article in the country's biggest-circulation newspaper claimed yesterday.

What about the London bombing by the Germans? The Germans are the enemy, again ! Did anyone hear the Islamist claim that not signing Kyoto is one of the reasons why they are terrorizing us ? No doubt the EU is behind the Islamist Fanatics. I'm glad Bush spurned a meeting with Schoeder at the NATO meeting.
8 posted on 11/18/2002 5:14:36 PM PST by John Lenin
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The Germans, as with the Japanese, have the Soviets to thank for their existance today. Without the need for strong allies to counter the new threat, there would have been no need for anything other than a heavily-taxed slave state for these two.
9 posted on 11/18/2002 5:14:39 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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I thought I'd seen it all...now I really have. To have Germans criticize anyone elses wartime conduct ......outrage doesn't describe it. Even a cruel bastard like Stalin had at least 1 good idea: Turn defeated Germany into 20 starving mini-states, never to stink up the world again.
10 posted on 11/18/2002 5:14:45 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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Give him hell Ivan. Anyone living today, that is less than 57 years old, does not know about Hitler really. The socialist liberal media has made hitler a saint in the good old USA.
12 posted on 11/18/2002 5:17:36 PM PST by chainsaw
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Maybe we should have left Germany to the good graces of Herr Stalin.
15 posted on 11/18/2002 5:20:39 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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Selective amnesia by idiots.

>Mr Friedrich claims the British government set out at the start of the Second World War to destroy as many German cities and kill as many of their inhabitants as possible.

Excuse me!? The British Government didn't set out to do anything but oppose German agression, which started the war.

>Civilian deaths were not collateral damage, he says, but rather the object of the exercise.

There's no doubt that the British night-time area bombardment was meant to kill and disrupt civilian population centers. This was total war against a society fully mobilized for production of armaments and support for military operations.

Tough. You started it, Deutschers, and did much worse yourselves. Suck it up.
16 posted on 11/18/2002 5:20:59 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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I guess it's time to cue up my Tom Lehrer on the phono again ("Once your rockets go up who cares where they come down? That's not mein department, says Werner von Braun").
18 posted on 11/18/2002 5:21:37 PM PST by RossA
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SHEESH.....what is in THAT beer in Germany? I'm glad my relatives escaped in the late 1800's......
20 posted on 11/18/2002 5:23:22 PM PST by goodnesswins
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Up is Down bump.
21 posted on 11/18/2002 5:24:51 PM PST by Guillermo
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While I was a bit young to understand the impact of the assassination of JFK and only have the vaguest recollection of the funeral a few days later I do have vivid memories of reading a headline just a little over a year later in one of the local newpapers here in Toronto. The huge headline read Man of the Century Dies. True then and true today and always will be.
22 posted on 11/18/2002 5:25:21 PM PST by xp38
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The British, led by Sir Arthur Harris, C-in-C Bomber Command, were the leading proponents of "night area bombing", involving the systematic destruction of German industrial capacity and housing. The policy resulted in the laying to waste of city after city, including Hamburg, Cologne and Dresden, and the deaths of some 635,000 Germans.

Excuse my hard heartedness but so what? Should they have been left in peace to build even more German tanks and bombers and all the rest to kill those on our side? They started it. We just ended it. And while civilians in a dictatorship maybe given the benefit of the doubt as to which side they are on the citizens of a nominal democracy are given no such leeway.

Nor should they be. They chose this monster to be their leader. They followed him into battle. Choices have consequences. And I have never believed that they didn’t know what was going on in the camps.

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a.cricket

23 posted on 11/18/2002 5:26:23 PM PST by another cricket
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Some words from a Tom Lehrer song, "Dr. Werner von Braun," come to mind:

"Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But I think our attitude should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old Londontown.
Who owe their large pensions to Werner von Braun...."

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Let's Hear It for Fraud -- And REAL Soon"

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

25 posted on 11/18/2002 5:28:44 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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It looks like the old hitler propaganda machine is rising from it's ashes in the kraut land. Could this be the sign of the 2nd coming of the genocidal german chancellor? Something evil is awakening in germany, and I think W knows it, that's why he is avoiding der herr schroeder.
26 posted on 11/18/2002 5:29:05 PM PST by desertcry
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This goes way past revisionist history. It is Nazi revivalism.

Either that or the author is in cloud-cuckoo-land, certifiably bonkers.

27 posted on 11/18/2002 5:30:07 PM PST by LibKill
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