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No atheists, no homosexuals, no merit for the Boy Scouts
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | November 18, 2002 | Larry Atkins

Posted on 11/18/2002 7:33:17 AM PST by 2banana

No atheists, no homosexuals, no merit for the Boy Scouts

By Larry Atkins

The Boy Scouts are at it again.

Last week, Darrell Lambert, an Eagle Scout in Washington state, was expelled by the Scouts because he failed to declare belief in a supreme being in accordance with Boy Scout policy. Lambert had earned 37 merit badges, worked more than 1,000 hours of community service, and helped lead a Boy Scout troop in his hometown.

The Boy Scouts of America serve a valuable purpose in shaping the lives of young people. But its continued policy of discriminating against atheists and homosexuals diminishes the organization's value and reputation. And it could - and should - cost it funding down the line.

On membership applications, Boy Scouts and adult leaders must say that they recognize a higher power, not necessarily religious. Lambert had disclosed his atheism to Scout leaders last year in his Eagle Scout application, but he still received the award. The current dispute arose last month, when Lambert got into an argument with a Scout leader at a Scout training seminar as to whether the Scouts should expel atheists.

As a private organization, the group can set its own membership criteria and exclude certain groups from membership. It does exclude gays and atheists. In 2000, the United States Supreme Court in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale confirmed that the BSA is a private organization that could exclude homosexuals pursuant to its First Amendment right of expressive association.

In response, many cities and towns withdrew public funds from Scout troops and barred them from using publicly owned spaces for their meetings. More than 300 school districts nationwide, including New York, Oakland, and San Francisco, dropped sponsorships of the Scouts and no longer provided Scout advisers and organizational help.

In response, Congress passed the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act, which mandated that local school authorities must grant access to the Scouts despite local policies banning discriminatory groups from meeting on school grounds. While schools must give access, however, they are not required to sponsor Scout activities.

Many angry Eagle Scouts, both gay and straight, sent their merit badges back to BSA headquarters to protest the Supreme Court decision. Filmmaker Steven Spielberg resigned from the BSA advisory board to protest the group's discrimination against gays.

Last month, protesters in Savannah, Ga., called for a repeal of the Scouts' anti-gay policy and called on the group to stop accepting United Way funds. Also, the faculty at Hamilton College in New York passed a motion encouraging the college to stop giving institutional support to the Utica United Way, which funds the local BSA chapter.

Exclusion of atheists and homosexuals has denied many kids and teenagers access to scouting programs. It also has led to the loss of many volunteers who would be terrific mentors, role models, and leaders of young people.

Meanwhile, this battle will continue on a local level. Religious leaders, community leaders, politicians, and the media must have the courage to take an unpopular stand and speak out against the Boy Scouts on this issue. Businesses and organizations that fund BSA, such as the United Way (which has an anti-discrimination policy) should stop contributing funds to the BSA as long as it keeps current discriminatory policies intact. Several United Way chapters across the country have done so already.

If the Boy Scouts had a policy excluding, say, African Americans, Jews, Muslims, or Hispanics, you could bet there'd be a huge outcry. Organizations representing these and other racial, religious and ethnic minorities should speak out loud and clear against the Boy Scouts.

Meanwhile, another good Scout leader is lost. Darrell Lambert, with an exemplary record of scouting and community service, reportedly doesn't smoke, drink alcohol, or take drugs. He has been a quartermaster and three-time senior patrol leader, an assistant scoutmaster, and a field leader in training as part of the Search and Rescue Program. Under current Boy Scout rules, a crack-smoking, al-Qaeda-supporting, wife-beating member of the Ku Klux Klan would be fine as a scoutmaster, but Lambert isn't.

The Boy Scouts achieves much good - but its policies of intolerance and discrimination deserve no merit badge.

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Larry Atkins (larryLTatkins@aol.com) is a lawyer and writer who lives in Philadelphia.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atheists; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; gays; scouts
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Nice commentary, chock full facts and pithy argument

Muchas gracias.

But then again your idea of Duty to God and Morally Straight most likely belongs in the category of Moral Relativism. N'est [-ce]pas?

I didn't make my idea of "Duty to God" and "Morally Straight" public. I've only asserted that the BSA have every right to define theirs.

But, since you obviously want me to go there, my idea of "Duty to God" and "Morally Straight" is essentially the Golden Rule.

81 posted on 11/18/2002 11:23:07 AM PST by CapedCrusader
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To: CapedCrusader
He finally told me a couple of years ago and he is dealing with it well now, but he was always so angry with me, especially after his father and I divorced and he came to live with me. He would get angry for really no reason. Now I see why. Then I thought it was because of the divorce. I only wish we'd known. He never said a word about it and the young man wasn't one of the kids he hung out with in that family. I never saw them together. I was completely blindsided with that revelation. I'm OK now because people in church prayed with me and I was immediately delivered from the anger and the strong feelings of guilt I had about it, but without God I would be completely traumitized.
82 posted on 11/18/2002 11:37:04 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Marysecretary
My heart goes out to your family. Keep the faith.
83 posted on 11/18/2002 11:43:00 AM PST by CapedCrusader
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I guess the whole 'mom and apple pie' atmosphere makes them gag.

They've offended me to my very core...I'm a mom, and I still bake apple pie (from scratch)! I guess they figure they can do without my vote!

BTW, you're absolutely right. Mom and Apple Pie still count for something in flyover country. It's called common-sense values. You'd think the last election would have taught these people something. Instead, they insanely go about making the same mistakes. I hope they continue to, and lose election after election.

84 posted on 11/18/2002 12:06:29 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: CapedCrusader
No, it's both. James Dale was a Scout, not a Scoutmaster.

Wrong. Check your facts. James Dale was indeed a former Eagle Scout, but all Scouts leave at age 18. He was then acting as an Adult Assistant Scoutmaster (Scouter) at the time he "came out." The SC affirmed the right of the BSA to set membership policy for it's ADULT LEADERS. The case does not address the Scouts themselves.

From James Dale's web site: James Dale spent 12 years of his life working with the Boy Scouts of America, ultimately achieving the rank of Eagle Scout and volunteering as an Assistant Scoutmaster until he was expelled in 1990 for being gay.

85 posted on 11/18/2002 12:34:03 PM PST by weaponeer
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To: weaponeer
I stand corrected about Dale, but I could swear the policy also applies to Scouts. Maybe not, though.
86 posted on 11/18/2002 12:48:30 PM PST by CapedCrusader
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To: jjm2111
Gays are what, 5% of the population?

I think the most reliable estimates are between 1 and 2%.

87 posted on 11/18/2002 1:18:43 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Britton J Wingfield
>>I guess the whole 'mom and
apple pie' atmosphere makes them gag.<<

I remember back in the Clinton reign, Hitlery was trying to re-define "family."

She said, "Not every family is Ward and June Cleaver." In other words, a nuclear family is an anachronism, and a corny one at that.

Liberals hate and ridicule traditional values.
88 posted on 11/18/2002 1:25:48 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Paul Atreides
Absolutely right. And, by the way, look at the nightmare the Catholic church is going through with the gay pedophile priests. I guess the Scouts not having that problem goes over the leftie do-gooders' heads.
89 posted on 11/18/2002 1:30:34 PM PST by Inkie
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To: mcsparkie
"To qualify for Eagle Scout you have to complete a multi-week Religious Award..."

That is not a reqirement for eagle. Religious awards are all voluntary. It is a requirement for all BSA ranks that you live the scout oath and law in everyday life.
90 posted on 11/18/2002 1:33:57 PM PST by Busywhiskers
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To: 2banana
The BSA is the rock in the stream. The Left has taken over or pushed aside all other American institutions-- universities, mainstream churches, schools--- but the BSA hasn't changed, hasn't caved, hasn't budged. So on the Boy Scouts they vent their fury.


91 posted on 11/18/2002 1:38:10 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: 2banana
"The Boy Scouts are at it again."

.....and thank God they are, Mr. Atkins, you drooling, liberal twit.

People want their sons in Scouts to learn and reinforce traditional values.......and those do NOT include your slavish devotion to the cause du jour such as homosexuality or atheism.

You see, Mr. Atkins, MOST boys in America (let alone their parents.....................oh......forgot us, did ya????) don't subscribe to homosexuality nor atheism.

So, Mr. Atkins, you drooler, get bent.

92 posted on 11/18/2002 1:45:03 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: CapedCrusader
I stand corrected about Dale, but I could swear the policy also applies to Scouts. Maybe not, though.

Easy enough to find out, read the press release at http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc&c=pr

The SC case and scout policy refers only to leaders.

93 posted on 11/18/2002 2:51:17 PM PST by weaponeer
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I guess the whole 'mom and apple pie' atmosphere makes them gag.

Bingo! There are those who want nothing more than for there to be rot behind the wholesome image. In their world mom is a drunk and the apples were sprayed with malathion. Believing this makes them feel better. It's a cheap and easy way of being an "intellectual." And so the Boy Scouts can't just be a club for kids to get together and camp, they must be tool of would be theocrats. When I was in the scouts I just kept my mouth shut and pretended to believe in God. It was all voulentary and no one was harmed.

94 posted on 11/18/2002 3:02:21 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: RonF
The case of Buddhists stands. To strict traditional Buddhism or to Zen, the existence or non-existence of a "higher power" of any sort is an irrelvancy. As it is manifest that Buddhists can be members of the BSA in good standing, "reverence" cannot mean "reverence toward (one or more) deity(ies)."
95 posted on 11/18/2002 4:06:50 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: RonF
Excellent....
A direct hit...
Semper Fi
96 posted on 11/18/2002 4:51:23 PM PST by river rat
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To: 2banana
My email to the writer of the article...
He is a "writer and lawyer"!! We are doomed..
Semper Fi


Greetings!

Your's was the most twisted, biased and dishonest assessment of a situation, as I've seen in years..
The "young man" you're defending --- is an Eagle Scout by fraud..

He passed the physical acts required to achieve the necessary merit badges -- but failed miserably to achieve the primary TRAITS of Scouting: TRUTH, HONOR and TRUSTWORTHINESS.

Each and every time he repeated the Scout Oath --- He lied.
Each and every time he swore allegiance to the flag of the United States --- He lied...

Truth, Honor and Trustworthiness may not be values that mean much to you --- but they are among the foundation stones of the Boy Scouts..

You're going to have to deal with it...... Perhaps a little ice on that would help..

Those with personal beliefs or patterns of behavior that are inconsistent with Scouting -- should avoid the Boy Scouts.
If it is the activities of Boy Scouts that attract atheists and homosexuals -- then they should build their own "private organization" and participate honestly...

The desire of atheists, homosexuals or any other deviant or perverse personalities to change or destroy those unlike them -- is getting more than tiresome..
Most Americans acknowledge and tolerate the fact that atheists, deviants and perverts exist..... We just don't wish to bend our beliefs to suit them...
Is that so difficult to comprehend?

If this article is an example of how well you research and analyze the FACTS, and your ability to present a TRUE, FAIR, LOGICAL and INFORMATIVE report, perhaps you should consider another line of work.... Perhaps propaganda is more your speed.... You've failed at journalism...
97 posted on 11/18/2002 5:29:55 PM PST by river rat
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To: The_Reader_David
My syntax may not have been clear. What I meant was belief in a higher power, whether or not you believed in a deity or deities at all. Buddhists don't have to believe in a deity, but they do believe that the material plane is not the only one, that there's a supernatural component to the universe, that you have a type of existence after you die, and that your conduct in life affects your fate after you die.
98 posted on 11/19/2002 7:38:13 AM PST by RonF
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To: SerpentDove
She said, "Not every family is Ward and June Cleaver." In other words, a nuclear family is an anachronism, and a corny one at that.

Tell you what. After 10 years as a Scouter, I'll say that although you may not like Hillary's tone, her facts are on target. Scouting is especially hit with this by female single parents who are looking for a good male role model for their sons, so they put them in Scouting.

99 posted on 11/19/2002 7:41:03 AM PST by RonF
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To: CapedCrusader
I feel confident when I say I believe that the overwhelming majority of homosexual men are not child molesters.

I agree. And I also don't think that a majority of heterosexual men molest female teens.

But I don't want heterosexual men taking teenage girls on camping trips any more than I'd want homosexual men taking teenage boys on camping trips.

The way I generally look at the "gay thing" in this context is how I would feel about the situation if the gay individual was instead a member of the opposite sex. Because in terms of sexuality, I think that analogy is pretty accurate.

100 posted on 11/19/2002 7:48:11 AM PST by XJarhead
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