Libertarians are Enemies of GOP -- With Good Reason -- says Sci-Fi Author

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[montag813]

woman's right to sovereignty over her own body

Since when is a growing baby part of a woman's "body"? If it is then why not allow her to murder the child after it is born? Extend the logic and I should have the right to kill anyone as long as they are inside my home...based on my "sovreignty over my own property".

I used to have some respect for Libertarians, but no longer. They are revoltingly misguided and selfish.

[montag813]

As hard as it may once have been to conceive, from the standpoint of individual liberty, Republicans are vastly worse than Democrats. George Junior has managed to make Bill Clinton look like a statesman. The only strategy libertarians ought to follow -- the only one that works for us, apparently -- is to prevent the election of as many of these goose-stepping imbeciles as possible. If it were up to me, I'd dedicate all of the Libertarian Party's resources to that and nothing else.

This is one of the ten most stupid things I have ever read. Libertarians must be stopped. So funds should be spared to destroy their insane crusade.

[aruanan]

Libertarians are Enemies of GOP -- With Good Reason -- says Sci-Fi Author

Well, you can tell whoever came up with this title isn't much into SF.

[Cacique]

It isn'tust liberatrians that are upset with the RINO RNC and the GOP washington establishment. While I will never vote libertarian, as long as the RINOS in washington continue to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights, increase taxes, vote for pork projects, expand the federal government, do nothing about illegal immigration, promote infanticide, cave in on abolishing the IRS and education department, they will find independent conservatives such as myself remaining home and not offsetting the libertarian vote.

The GOP has only itself to blame, bullsh*ting to everyone how conservative they are and voting like democrats or caving in to them.

[tortoise]

Giving us back our Constitution is a cause that all of us should embrace, but the pacifism is too far out of touch with current world events.

Non-aggression isn't pacifism. The libertarians I know are far and away the most enthusiastic gun owners of any political affiliation. They buy'em, use'em, and then buy more. Their general principle is that they don't start the fight, but they sure as hell are going to finish it.

I know a lot of anti-gun republicans, or at least republicans who aren't particularly enthusiastic about people with weapons. Libertarians, for all their faults, are the quintessential weapon nuts. It is part of their ideology.

[RWG]

"...it works good for those who own it" was an important part of my reply. Well, does the nea have important stakes in the government schools? Would you consider the nea to have too much influence in government schools? The product of most government schools is what you are complaining about, but that is deliberate and according to the scheme of the nea.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Maybe its because the LPs position on the War on Terror and the War on Islam is the same as the hyperlefties."

The only similarity is that both believe we shouldn't have been in the Near East in the first place, a position the Founding Fathers were in total agreement with (read Washington's farewell address, and his advice about staying out of foreign wars).

[Commie Basher]

Libertarians are enemies of AMERICA...they elect democrats,

So ... electing Democrats makes you an enemy of AMERICA? So then, those tens of millions of Americans who vote Democrat are enemies of AMERICA? A TRUE AMERICAN votes Republican?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Commie Basher]

You complain of many "public" activities, but in a libertarian society, the public sphere would be far smaller. Many more areas would be private, and you'd have far greater control over your own private home, business, cafe, company, than you do under Demopublicans.

Wanna allow smoking in your private bar? Sell guns in your store? Require a dress code for employees, even skirts for women? Only want to rent to people who live by your moral code? All permited -- for you and for those you disagree with.

[Commie Basher]

Maybe its because the LPs position on the War on Terror and the War on Islam is the same as the hyperlefties.

Seems you're yet another Republican smoking reefers. War on Islam? Even Bush Jr. says we're not at war with Islam. Or are you accusing Bush of lying?

[Commie Basher]

Since when is a growing baby part of a woman's "body"?

It's not -- and doesn't have to be. The fetus is in her sovereign body. And she's expelling it.

[Commie Basher]

I came up with the title, and I've loooong been aware that there's a small group who insist that "sci-fi" is not a proper term. They insist they're a large group, and that theirs is the majority opinion of "sci-fi"-dom.

Well, I know quite a few sci-fi folk, professionals and fans, and as best I can tell, the vast majority have no problem with the term sci-fi, Harlan Ellison notwithstanding.

[hscott]

To Wonder Warthog - I think you are either uninformed or just obfuscating. Here are quotes from Harry browne after 9/11:

Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.

When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?

And it would be very very easy to supply a large number of such quotes.

Now I grant you that, although the majority of libertarians are opposed to the War on Terror & War on Islam, That a smaller faction of libertarians is in fact supporting our government. One is now on the city council I think of Leadville, CO but I can't recall his name.

To CommieBasher-"Republican smoking reefers"?? Please, that exposes your absurdity. As to the War on Islam - true Bush does not call it that - and in fact defends Islam the religion. But consider: "War on Terror" does not compute. Terror is a tactic, not a person or group. You might say instead that we war on Islamic terrorists. But check out the polls on Mideast Arabs. The majority hate America, either think that 9/11 was a Mossad action or if UBL did it then he is a hero. No, I think this is Crusades II, except that Chistendom is gone and now it is just Western Civ.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

You know, Libertarians are so transparent, its almost funny.

Incapable because of their psychotic temperament of convincing the electorate that their stupidity could actually be conjured into government policy, they figure that they can subvert the will of the GOP electorate by sucking away enough votes to hand elections to Democrats (thus hastening the revolution so desired by that hack Rand as their theory goes).

Misery and starvation, anarchy, civil unrest and death are their stock in trade.

They have no integrity whatsoever. Their constitutional theories are bogus, their scholastic methodology flawed, and they are totalitarians at heart.

[Wonder Warthog]

"To Wonder Warthog - I think you are either uninformed or just obfuscating. Here are quotes from Harry browne after 9/11:"

Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.

When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?"

And exactly how are these comments untrue?? And, of course, have nothing whatsoever with supporting the "War against Jihadism". They apply DIRECTLY to my (and Harry Brown's) point, that if we had stayed out of foreign wars in the first place, 9/11 would probably never have happened. Now that it HAS happened, however, it is up to us to finish it.

My take on this is that the critical juncture for staying out of foreign wars happened with World War I. If we had simply stayed out of THAT one, the probability is that Communism in the Soviet Union would never have happened, nor would Nazism in Germany, nor would jihadism in the Middle East, nor would 9/11. Simply put, we got suckered by the British into getting in to that one on their side--we really had no stake in WWI.

That said, the genie is out of the bottle, and we have no choice but to try to put it back in.

[hscott]

Well to review, I said that the libertarian position on US foreign policy was similar or identical to that of the Left.And I provided quotes from Harry Browne to support this. He says that our foreign policy is "insane" and that the 9/11 attacks are a result of American "bullying."I ask you does this sound similar to the Left or not?

It seems transparent to me that these quotes have everything to do with the "war against Jihadism." You also blame America for 9/11. So is Chomsky your hero? This is exactly why I ditched the libertarians.

I don't know what to say about your comments that the road to hell started with WWI. I'd agree that the US would have been better off to have stayed out of it. But how would that mean that Communism and/or 9/11 would not have happened?

BTW I want to stay out of "foreign entanglements" also. It is just a matter of where to draw the line. I opposed the first Gulf War. It was not incumbent on us to save Kuwait. And even if Iraq had prevailed they still would want to sell their oil.

The current conflict however is very very different. We are in WWIV whether we like it or not. We were attacked and will continue to be attacked. To suppose that, if we just become less aggressive that the Muslims will love us is a delusion. Dude, they want to conquer the world and convert it to Islam.

[hopespringseternal]

There is a huge difference between libertarianism and the Libertarian Party.

Small-"l" libertarians hold certain priniciples and generally vote republican.

Libertarian candidates (the Libertarian Party) tend to be pro-drug, pro-porn nutcases whose idea of freedom is getting high and laid.

But there is a spectrum with druggie anarchists at one end and social/economic conservatives at the other end. The Libertarian Party hierarchy tends to favor the former.

[tpaine]

Bootie is obsessed with:

Twisting the heads off little kittens --
Marrying your own daughter --
Masturbating in public --
Child pornography --
Meth for sale at your 7-11 --
Explosives factory built next to your home --
Public defecation --
Playing baseball with live gerbils --
Fisting your lover on a park bench --
Walking naked on the streets --

--Boot Hill is a SICK and irrational libertarian hater, exposed in his own words above, as are most of you posting here. -- For shame.

[jeremiah]

Senator Cantwell won over a liberal(as liberal as any Dem)Senator Gorton. What difference does it make? Gorton spearheaded a statewide measure this year, to raise taxes to record levels, joining hands with the Democratic governor. I heard Rush a couple of years ago, state that if the the fedgov was not scaled back with the control of all branches by the R's, he would go third party. Well the Pubbies have control, if nothing is done to scale back govt, they will have lost my vote forever, and will prove that there is not a dimes worth of difference.

[nanny]

[. Throw open the doors to drugs, porn, prostitution, and abortion, and the result won't be a society that can maintain its freedom for very long.]

Would we notice the difference in those areas. The murder of babies is legal now, even while being born - one of the things on which I strongly disagree with the LP.

Now do you really think legalizing drugs, porn and prostitution would make it any more rampant. I don't see how.

Not supporting the LP, but just asking how you think their stand on these issues would make a lot of difference.

If you you really think our government is really, really trying to do something about these evils, then you have to admit they are totally loosing the war. Personaly, I don't think they are trying