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To: hscott
"To Wonder Warthog - I think you are either uninformed or just obfuscating. Here are quotes from Harry browne after 9/11:"

Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.

When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?"

And exactly how are these comments untrue?? And, of course, have nothing whatsoever with supporting the "War against Jihadism". They apply DIRECTLY to my (and Harry Brown's) point, that if we had stayed out of foreign wars in the first place, 9/11 would probably never have happened. Now that it HAS happened, however, it is up to us to finish it.

My take on this is that the critical juncture for staying out of foreign wars happened with World War I. If we had simply stayed out of THAT one, the probability is that Communism in the Soviet Union would never have happened, nor would Nazism in Germany, nor would jihadism in the Middle East, nor would 9/11. Simply put, we got suckered by the British into getting in to that one on their side--we really had no stake in WWI.

That said, the genie is out of the bottle, and we have no choice but to try to put it back in.

55 posted on 11/18/2002 7:44:28 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Well to review, I said that the libertarian position on US foreign policy was similar or identical to that of the Left.And I provided quotes from Harry Browne to support this. He says that our foreign policy is "insane" and that the 9/11 attacks are a result of American "bullying."I ask you does this sound similar to the Left or not?

It seems transparent to me that these quotes have everything to do with the "war against Jihadism." You also blame America for 9/11. So is Chomsky your hero? This is exactly why I ditched the libertarians.

I don't know what to say about your comments that the road to hell started with WWI. I'd agree that the US would have been better off to have stayed out of it. But how would that mean that Communism and/or 9/11 would not have happened?

BTW I want to stay out of "foreign entanglements" also. It is just a matter of where to draw the line. I opposed the first Gulf War. It was not incumbent on us to save Kuwait. And even if Iraq had prevailed they still would want to sell their oil.

The current conflict however is very very different. We are in WWIV whether we like it or not. We were attacked and will continue to be attacked. To suppose that, if we just become less aggressive that the Muslims will love us is a delusion. Dude, they want to conquer the world and convert it to Islam.

56 posted on 11/18/2002 7:59:15 AM PST by hscott
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