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TIM HAMES: If you're reading this on the Underground this morning, please don't panic (UK REACTION)
The Times ^ | November 18, 2002 | Tim Hames

Posted on 11/17/2002 4:40:49 PM PST by MadIvan

Londoners have long been stoical about public transport. The half-snatched headline claiming “plot to release poison-gas on the Tube” is likely to be received with either the response “how would we be able to tell?” or “will the RMT executive stop at nothing?”

As I travelled on the District Line yesterday I noticed a man reading intensely of the alleged conspiracy on the front of a Sunday newspaper. His attention obviously captured by the story, he looked up and stared at a man of Middle Eastern origin at the other end of the carriage. He then returned to his newspaper and carried on with urgency, occasionally glancing again at the Arab gentleman. As we drew into the next station, he put his broadsheet down and moved . .. precisely one seat further away from the imaginary assassin. That approach just about sums up the attitude of most of us to the threat of domestic terrorism. We are rightly alarmed at the prospect but not prepared to amend the normal conduct of life much to accommodate it.

This is not necessarily irresponsible. The arrests of the accused men should be a cause for comfort as much as concern for three reasons. The first, obviously, is that it suggests that the “plot” failed because of successful infiltration by the security services. The second is that, from what few details have emerged, it appears to have been a rather inept enterprise in its early stages and not on the very verge of execution. The third is that the target, if it was the Underground, was a rather obvious one — not the sort of completely original and unexpected concept that characterised the September 11 atrocities.

These factors are interconnected. Until 15 months ago MI5, in common with many other intelligence agencies, had not been very effective at infiltration. This was, in a sense, understandable — tall, white chaps with public school accents would tend to stand out at al-Qaeda meetings.

An enormous amount of effort has, of late, been directed into this area and has reaped rewards. The biggest dilemma for the likes of MI5 now is not too little material, but too much of it and how best to assess what has been obtained. There is “chatter” aplenty out there and most of it is bravado and deliberate disinformation.

It would also not be surprising if the supposed cell at work in the capital city made mistakes which led to its members’ capture. Most of the best al-Qaeda operatives either retreated to Afghanistan immediately before September 11 or have had to remain in hiding for fear of arrest in Europe. The network thus has to rely on some relatively new recruits, those misguided souls who had little connection with terror until after the twin towers were toppled. These are likely to be a motley crew of drifters and fantasists, rather than an elite corps of dedicated fanatics.

For all its bluster, al-Qaeda is in trouble. It needs to commit a major terrorist attack quite soon to show that it is still in business. That assault needs to be in Western Europe or the United States to have a real impact. It also needs to be, in that gruesome phrase, “spectacular”. For, to be blunt about it, when you have murdered 3,000 people in New York City via some unprecedented audacious hijacking, taking out three poor individuals through a handgun or a car bomb on a wet Saturday night in Newcastle is not much of a sequel.

The War on Terror will look like a serious fight only if al-Qaeda can demonstrate that September 11 was but the first shot, not the only notable shot, in the offensive.

It is possible that it will be able to do that. Open societies will always present a range of opportunities. The terrorists do not want for money, basic resources and volunteers. It is, nonetheless, also becoming much more difficult for them to organise an atrocity which would be viewed as anything close to the standard set on September 11. The al-Qaeda holding company is obliged to work with less skilled personnel of its own against a more sophisticated intelligence effort. The compelling need for the “spectacular” is as much of a ball and chain for the terrorists as it plainly is for the authorities.

This is not an argument for complacency. It is, though, a plea against panic. The fear of terror is probably the best weapon left in the al-Qaeda arsenal. It is the best means of promoting the organisation’s message in more awkward circumstances.

If you are standing in a crowded Tube train this morning, attempting to read the first section of The Times, and someone chooses to let off poison gas then, alas, you may not make it to the sports pages. But the chances of such a terrorist coup are much smaller today than they were on September 10, 2001. The man who shifted just one seat along in his carriage yesterday was being actually entirely right and rational.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; blair; cyanide; plot; reaction; uk
And that sums up our reaction. OK, we're shunning possible terrorists, but life goes on.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 11/17/2002 4:40:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; America's Resolve; BigWaveBetty; widgysoft; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 11/17/2002 4:41:02 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Of course, the British have more experience with religion based terrorists than most civilized countries. You have just traded in IRA terrorists for Muslim terrorsts.
3 posted on 11/17/2002 5:00:07 PM PST by PAR35
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To: MadIvan
If you are standing in a crowded Tube train this morning, attempting to read the first section of The Times, and someone chooses to let off poison gas then, alas, you may not make it to the sports pages.

In the New York subways no one ever reads anything but the sports pages. Or maybe the latest murder.

4 posted on 11/17/2002 5:06:45 PM PST by Cicero
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To: MadIvan
I think the one thing the terrorists don't understand.
Yes they can cause catastrophic 'one off' incidents. But they CANNOT stop life going on.
They can't stop the London Underground from churning out millions of people to their work destinations, no more than they could stop the city of NY finding it's feet, dusting itself off, mourning its dead, and then lifting it's chin and moving on.

UNLIKE the cowardly Islamic terrorists who hide behind their religious books and burkhas. Western living people have their own daily battles to fight. We have a life to capture and embrace.
It is life itself through individual incidence that cuts us to the knees.
No Al Queda Ramadama-ding-dong-freakin-fruit-de-loop can do anything in the name of his God, that our own God hasn't already sent us as a sick joke called 'real Western civilisation life'.

As soon as these sorry mutha's realise that..get down off their camels, find themselves a strip joint and relax, before the big God of STRESS comes and kills us all..the better.
5 posted on 11/17/2002 5:07:13 PM PST by Happygal
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To: PAR35; MadIvan
Of course, the British have more experience with religion based terrorists than most civilized countries. You have just traded in IRA terrorists for Muslim terrorsts.

Care to re-phrase the 'religion based terrorists' part of your post?

6 posted on 11/17/2002 5:09:02 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
No Al Queda Ramadama-ding-dong-freakin-fruit-de-loop can do anything in the name of his God, that our own God hasn't already sent us as a sick joke called 'real Western civilisation life'.

I perhaps can be forgiven for making a sentimental point here, darling - life to me stopped being a sick joke, but rather became something very precious, something to fight for and defend, the moment I fell for you.

Be that as it may, I am not going to be stopped by Al Qaeda. The goat shaggers are nothing in comparison to Hitler.

Love, Ivan

7 posted on 11/17/2002 5:17:05 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Happygal; PAR35
I should point out that the IRA is rather like the Mafia, not "religion based terrorists". They practice extortion, racketeering and are involved in the drugs trade. They just don't have the nice suits and any hope in hell of a portrayal by Al Pacino or Marlon Brando.

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 11/17/2002 5:18:53 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
LOL!

Except, of course, for the IRA as "religion based terrorists." The IRA is a Marxist radical organization that has trained with Hizbollah and whose ideal state is based on the Communist Albanian model (remember Xoxha, or whatever his name was?).

Disputes between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland are horrible and, personally, I think the best thing would be just to clap a lid on both of them, because these groups have their greivances but they are both being manipulated by outside influences.

The IRA is one of these influences, and it's a whole different matter. This is something our idiot president Bill Clinton (a man of no religion at all, but very left-wing) didn't care to understand when he sucked up to them.
9 posted on 11/17/2002 5:20:50 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
I don't suppose you've actually been to Belfast or Northern Ireland, have you? There is little difference in the mindset of an IRA member or one of Arafat's goons. They only speak different languages. Spend a week or two with the UDA and you'd understand.
10 posted on 11/17/2002 5:25:37 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3; livius
I've been to Belfast (quite frequently actually).

I'm not sure what either of you are talking about.


11 posted on 11/17/2002 5:36:47 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
That was the re-phrasing, because I did not want to do any religion bashing.
12 posted on 11/17/2002 8:02:08 PM PST by PAR35
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
For all its bluster, al-Qaeda is in trouble. It needs to commit a major terrorist attack quite soon to show that it is still in business.

Heads-up ping!

13 posted on 11/17/2002 8:08:39 PM PST by Scully
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To: Scully
It needs to commit a major terrorist attack quite soon to show that it is still in business.

Naw; it just needs a new PR agent and a media campaign to redefine its lack of follow-up attacks as a consequence of being discriminated against because of their minority status. Once this is accomplished, they can apply for aid from the various anti-discrimination agencies, and probably qualify for a low-interest federally guaranteed loan.

Think along the lines of the movie "The Mouse that Roared"...

14 posted on 11/17/2002 8:25:02 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Naw; it just needs a new PR agent and a media campaign to redefine its lack of follow-up attacks as a consequence of being discriminated against because of their minority status. Once this is accomplished, they can apply for aid from the various anti-discrimination agencies, and probably qualify for a low-interest federally guaranteed loan.

Wow! You mean...they're Democrats!!!??? LOL!

15 posted on 11/17/2002 8:26:22 PM PST by Scully
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To: longshadow
Think along the lines of the movie "The Mouse that Roared"...

OMG LOL! I did think it was one of the funnier ones I saw as a kid! :-)

16 posted on 11/17/2002 8:30:03 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
OMG LOL! I did think it was one of the funnier ones I saw as a kid! :-)

Who could forget the sovereign state of the "Grand Duchy of Fenwick"?

Mere mention of its name instills fright in grown men and nightmares in small dogs and children....

17 posted on 11/18/2002 10:17:23 AM PST by longshadow
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