GOP to Pro-lifers: 'Thanks for Your Votes, Now Get Lost!'

NewsMax ^ | 11/15/02 | Limbacher

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

Republican leaders are jabbing a thumb in the eyes of pro-lifers whose votes were largely responsible for the GOP victory in the November 5, elections, an angry Ken Connor charges.

Connor, president of the Family Research Council, ripped into the Republican congressional leadership for not standing firmly against the bankruptcy bill which contains Sen. Chuck Schumer's hostile pro-abortion amendment.

"The GOP is saying to pro-lifers, 'Thanks for your votes, now get lost!'" Connor said.

"Instead of rewarding pro-life Americans for giving their votes overwhelmingly to Republican candidates in last week's election, the GOP leadership is jabbing a thumb in their eye barely a week after the election at the behest of the well-heeled business wing of the party.

"Pro-lifers are asking themselves why they bothered when the GOP appears intent on sticking them with a gratuitous anti-life law that would expose peaceful anti-abortion protestors to financial ruin," Connor continued.

"Meanwhile, as GOP leaders ram through the Schumer amendment, pro-lifers are being told there is not enough time in the lame duck session to get a Senate vote on the bill banning partial-birth abortion the House passed last July.

According to Connor, The Schumer amendment "effectively says, 'If you are a pro-life protester and you wind up with a money judgment against you for engaging in what we regard as constitutionally protected speech and activity, you are not going to be able to discharge that debt in bankruptcy,'

"The effect of that is to create a disfavored class for purposes of punishing politically incorrect speech, because the only group that is being singled out for this kind of treatment is pro-life protestors.

"It's imperative that the GOP leadership put the same muscle behind the partial-birth abortion ban as they appear to be giving to the bankruptcy bill."

Once again, the GOP leadership is proving that they simply don't know who their real friends are.

[Neo_objectivist]

According to the rabid pro lifers, everything is related to abortion. They are rapidly becoming irrelevant and cultlike.

Still living in the 80's when abortion was hip ? Got news for the "rabid defenders of unborn slaying", the combination of new technology and information awareness campaigns are making the pro-life stance (thats the one where babies actually get to live)even more popular. The only people still supporting unfettered abortion-on-demand nowadays are hippies, lawyers, and hippie-lawyers.

[karlamayne]

"GOP to Pro-lifers: 'Thanks for Your Votes, Now Get Lost!' "

Like this happens every two years, what did you expect?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Here is some existing law on it, from 11 USC 523:

6) for willful and malicious injury by the debtor to another entity or to the property of another entity;

(7) to the extent such debt is for a fine, penalty, or forfeiture payable to and for the benefit of a governmental unit, and is not compensation for actual pecuniary loss, other than a tax penalty

[Pres Raygun]

Rabid pro-lifers are equally as bad as the abortion-on-demand crowd.

I trust that you didn't actually means this. There is no moral equivalence of any sort between an abortionist or his supporters and any pro-lifer. Abortionists and terrorist are morally equivalent. For me, a rabid pro-lifer, your compromise would be a dream come true. To put things in persepective, the odious provision in this bankrupcy law would treat even peaceful protestors differently than any other class of people. And somehow we pro-lifers are to blame for objecting.

Overreaching on abortion is a certain recipe for putting the Dems back in power. It's better to concentrate on economic issues, which would garner support from big numbers of moderate Dems.

Excuse me, but how are the pro lifers overreaching? Also remember, it is the rabidly pro-life Republicans that are also the ones who happen to be the most conservative when it comes to fiscal issues. The RINOs who vote pro abortion also seem to be the first to join the RATs in voting for tax increases.

[Pres Raygun]

Mary Ann Glendon admits she isn't a bankruptcy expert, and doesn't know the other parts of the code as may be applicable to penalties under FACE.

And you are a familiar with bankruptcy law, along with FACE? Given your obvious disdain for life, that would make you a lawyer for Planned Parenthood. Your screen name suits you.

[grania]

If conservaties would support a genuinely conservative party, one devoted to the Constitution and limited government, we'd do ourselves a lot more good, IMO

It can't be a one-issue party, and there has to be a logical cohesion to the values it supports.

Example: pro-lifers support the rights of pre-birth infants to survive.

conservationists support the rights of trees, and snakes, and everything else alive to survive

close the border folks support the dignity of the nation's values, laws, and current population

blacks and other established (citizen) minorities want to protect what they have spent their whole lives striving for; how will they ever get ahead with the status quo? Plus, for blacks, many of them religious, life is sacred.

Now, watch all of the one-issue folks go crazy with this list, how they couldn't live with such a coalition. Well, we live with a coalition along these lines, or babies keep being slaughtered, but don't worry, those SUVs will have plenty of fuel.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

And you are a familiar with bankruptcy law, along with FACE?

Only as familiar as your average pawnshop owner.

[independentmind]

One thing's for sure. The next few years will finally force the Republicans to show their true colors regarding abortion. I'll be watching eagerly.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You were obviously blaming Bush because this ban was not passed. The reason it is not is because of Dasshole pure and simple. This was not one of the most important acts for him to take during the first 100 days even if he could have overcome a filibuster which I doubt.

You are the fool for trying to blame Bush for the RATS actions. But it won't work here.

[The FRugitive]

Why should they care? Yall give them your vote rain or shine. You know "lesser of two evils" and all.

The whole bankruptcy bill is special interest bullshit and should be done away with.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I doubt that I would accept your definition of "conservative" and deny that the GOP turns its back on conservatives. If that were true why does the RATmedia get hysterical at the prospect of GOP control.

A "conservative" who cannot get elected is of no use to me or the GOP. MOst are simple cranks or one-note sambas not viable political leaders. Of course, the cult-followers of these cranks never seem to understand that in a republic one must convince enough people to vote them into office before they qualify as a leader. Simply taking the most extreme position possible is not providing leadership.

It is clear that W. is the most conservative electable president yet that didn't stop the true "conservatives" around here from attacking him as a "socialist", "liberal" and many other brainless pregoratives.

Government grows because that is what the people want. When the people are convinced that it shouldn't then it won't. Shrinking government will never come from those screeching in the corner for all or nothing. It can only happen when the people are determined to cut it off at the source- taxes. And it will not be a 180 degree turn but slowly.

[fightinJAG]

Hilarious! This aptly describes the mentality of this author: "all the Democrat bases belong to us."

[fightinJAG]

Exactly. The election happened, uh, like a week ago. And the President said all along that "job one" was Homeland Security. And, hmm, this wasn't even a regular session of Congress, but a lame duck session in which historically NOTHING gets accomplished except for losers to clear out their desks.

To be screaming that the administration has told pro-life voters to "get lost" is ridiculous and ignorant.

[xm177e2]

A better title would be "Pro-lifers throw hissy fit just ten days after elections"

[Ferndina]

Perhaps it would be beneficial if you understood that pro life is a supposed plank in the Republican platform. Perhaps pro abortion Republicans should think about forming their own party.

[SwordofTruth]

You were obviously blaming Bush because this ban was not passed.

Yes, I do blame him for not trying to get it passed in his first 100 days. However, I never once said he stopped it from being passed.

[SwordofTruth]

You are the fool for trying to blame Bush for the RATS actions. But it won't work here.

No, I blaming Bush for his inactions during his first 100 days.

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem.

[Godel]

One thing that strikes me as odd in this Partial Birth Abortion debate is this. If you honestly believe that PBA is the taking of an innocent life why would you want to wait? Does politics trump the innocent lives that will be lost while we wait? - Tom

No, but here's an analogy. Suppose there was a burning building with kids trapped inside burning to death. You could rush in right away and maybe save 2 or 3 before you succumbed to smoke and heat and burned to death. Or you could take a few minutes to prepare, put on a flameproof suit, and save much more.

Rushing right ahead to ban partial birth abortion wouldn't do any good if it inflamed the Democrats to such a degree that it was impossible to get conservative judges appointed. Then the Pro-death constitution-ignoring liberal activist judges would just declare that sucking the brains out of an unborn child'd perforated skull is a constitutionally protected right, and any legislation would be meaningless.

[Godel]

Abortion should be legal

Okay, so you're in favor on unrestricted abortions. Would you see any problem with a woman walking into a hospital on the day she's scheduled to give birth, and asking for an abortion instead? It's her body right, and therefore 100% her choice?

Do you know how a partial birth abortion is performed? The live child is delivered, all but the head. The doctor takes a surgical instrument and jabs a hole in the skull, then inserts a suction device and vacuums the brains out. The dead child is then delivered.

Would you have a problem with this procedure being performed on the day a woman was scheduled to give birth? Isn't it the woman's choice? If you objected to this procedure happening on the due date, then would that make you an anti-choice statist?

[Kerberos]

"Perhaps it would be beneficial if you understood that pro life is a supposed plank in the Republican platform"

And it would seem that is how the Republicans treat the abortion issue. They are supposed to do something about it but never really do.