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BULLETIN-17 Dead, 150 Missing in Tennessee Tornados
Knoxville News ^ | November 11, 2002 | Cecil Whatley

Posted on 11/11/2002 9:31:50 AM PST by ewing

BULLETIN

At least 17 are reported dead, 60 injured and 150 missing in Morgan County after a tornado touched down Sunday night, according to Cecil Whatley, Tennessee Emergency Management Agency Director of Natural Hazards.

Emergency personnel are setting up command and evacuation centers in the Mossy Grove and Joyner communities as well as Wartburg and Petros.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: knoxville; morgancounty; tennessee; twister
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To: DCPatriot
I just can't see how 150 people can be "missing". It wasn't Kansas or South Dakota, you know.

Your ignorance of what a tornado can do really doesn't change anything. An F4 or F5 is an incredibly destructive storm and could pick up an entire town throwing the people miles from where they started. That part of the state is mountainous and wooded, and hikers, hunters, and others with business in the woods may be finding bodies from time to time for years.

WFTR
Bill

61 posted on 11/11/2002 6:41:59 PM PST by WFTR
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To: ewing; homeschool mama; DCPatriot; dead; Salvation; rwfromkansas; TN4Liberty; ping jockey; ...
If my first post to DCPatriot was too strong, I apologize. I'm certainly glad that the death toll will be nowhere near 150. However, I still think that it would have been better for him to have started a vanity in the chat area to talk about his TV show than to distract those of us who had an interest in the news on this thread.

The real point of this post is to mention a few facts about tornado warnings in this area. I lived in Cookeville, Tennessee for three years after having lived in Oklahoma City for six years. To be honest, I thought tornadoes were scarier in Cookeville than they were in Oklahoma. I've taken the official tornado spotter class from NOAA twice, and there is some interesting information that I don't think most people know.

The problem with tornadoes in this part of the country is that they are much harder to track. Typically, a tornado in the west grows out of a low precipitation supercell. These "dry" storms are fairly easy to see, so spotters can triangulate from their favorite spotting positions and give an accurate picture of the storm's path and speed. In the east, there are more tornadoes that come from a high precipitation supercell. In these storms, the funnel is hidden in the thick clouds and rain. I was living in Louisville in '96 and saw the big one that passed just south of town. I saw a huge, black cloud about ten miles away, but I never saw the tornado in the cloud. Because the tornado is hidden, spotters cannot get as accurate a position or be as certain that a tornado is on the ground.

Another problem is that hills mask the tornado from Doppler radar. I once complained to someone from the weather service about the fact that tornado warnings around Cookeville were never as precise as those in Oklahoma City. He told me that the Doppler radar used to track these storms is usually based in Nashville. As the radar signal goes east and hits the beginning of the Cumberland Plateau, it is reflected and cannot "see" anything below a straight line passing from the tower to the highest points on the plateau. Therefore, the Doppler radar is blind to many tornadoes in that area when they are close to the ground.

The result of these factors is that it is much harder to predict a tornado on the Cumberland Plateau than it is on the plains of Oklahoma. When I lived in Oklahoma City, it seemed that the emergency weather broadcasters could almost track tornadoes by street address. If the tornado wasn't on my street, I felt pretty good. In Cookeville, the sirens would sound, but no one seemed able to give the location of the tornado within even a couple of miles. I suspect that the towns hit in Tennessee weren't so much without warning as they were without a specific enough warning to know what action to take.

I once read a book on tornadoes, and the book said that someday an F4 or F5 will hit a major city directly. It will topple some big buildings, and the scale of destruction will be similar to what happened when the World Trade Centers fell.

Part of the solution for mountainous areas might be for more people to take storm spotter training. I don't know what assets they had available last night, but better spotting likely could have helped. Another part of the solution might be that some public or civic group in some of these areas could buy the used Doppler Radars that big city news stations discard when they upgrade their equipment. This equipment wouldn't be the best, but it would be better than having no warning at all.

WFTR
Bill

62 posted on 11/11/2002 7:23:31 PM PST by WFTR
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To: ewing
I Pray that all will be found & be safe.
63 posted on 11/11/2002 7:49:46 PM PST by Kev-Head
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To: archy
God bless you. Prayers for the missing.
64 posted on 11/12/2002 12:55:43 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Tennessee_Bob
No, I listen to WREC 600 in Memphis which didn't carry it.
65 posted on 11/12/2002 4:01:54 AM PST by GailA
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To: DCPatriot
"How in creation, can 150 people be "missing".

"Because they didn't answer their Nextel? IMO, misleading and sensationalist."

I pray it isn't so but they could be dead and the bodies not located yet. Tornadoes do strange things. Sometimes whole buildings can be carried away and strewn all over the countryside.
66 posted on 11/12/2002 5:01:24 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: WFTR
Didn't take it too seriously....your personal rebuke to me.

I completely forgot how rural these town are, and yes, I understand that bodies can lodge themselves in trees in the middle of heavily wooded acreage.

Thanks for the education on twisters. ;^)

67 posted on 11/12/2002 5:20:00 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: WFTR
Great information to include in our science class when weather is covered. Thank you kindly. :o)
68 posted on 11/12/2002 9:24:36 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Conservative4Ever
It was bad here(I'm in the Columbus area). I had somewhere to go that night and the clouds were immense and I got in about 20 minutes before the mayhem started. All night the other ladies there were getting calls from their hubbies, some were coming in later having whethered hail storms and intense wind, scared out of their wits. I think everyone wanted to go home and be with family, but the weather was too bad to pack up and go home. I don't remember a storm this intense even during the springtime.
69 posted on 11/13/2002 5:00:05 AM PST by glory
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To: glory
Glad you are okay.
70 posted on 11/13/2002 5:02:28 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Ghengis
Yup, sil in Marysville(Union County) saw that Tornado just a few miles out from them. shudder!
71 posted on 11/13/2002 5:08:10 AM PST by glory
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To: Dallas
took me awhile...things are OK here, but unbelievable not too far away from us.
72 posted on 11/13/2002 6:38:13 PM PST by troublesome creek
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To: troublesome creek
Whew, it's certainly good to hear from ya....

Keep the faith...

73 posted on 11/13/2002 7:11:49 PM PST by Dallas
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