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Democrat Website Shunned July Warning - Banned Dem Prophet!
freerepublic and a certain rat cellar | July 2002 | tlbshow originally

Posted on 11/08/2002 7:45:30 PM PST by parsifal

In July 2002, freeper tlbshow picked up on a thread on a certain rat underground website. It seems one of the dems had actually bothered to read Ann Coulter's book, "Slander" and thought her analysis of democratic and leftish problems was correct. The brave rat posted his/her thoughts on the dem website and drew a firestorm. The Dem article is reproduced here in full:

I just went to one of the "bad places." Is this the article you were referring to:

Ann Coulter is Right - And I Am Reeling" Posted by khangaskhan on Jul-03-02 at 11:46 PM

I just finished reading Ann Coulter's new book, Slander. As much as it pains me to admit, she is right. Not about our underlying philosophy, but about the way we politick. We Democrats, and particularly we Liberal Democrats, are far too busy name-calling and acting like elite self-righteous snobs, to dirty our hands with the problems of the working class. I do not say this lightly and am reluctant to say it at all for fear that it will end up on some right-wing moron website.

But the charges that Ann Coulter so devastatingly levels at us are true. If the only victims of our attacks were Republicans and the right wingers, then it would not matter. They deserve it. But I believe that we have almost fatally wounded ourselves as a party in the process. We do not debate fairly because we do not understand what we are all about. We substitute canards and slogans for thought.

Let me give you an example. I remember reading about a study of the Head Start program. The study noted that by the fourth grade, there were no significant differences between those students who attended Head Start and those who didn't. The Neanderthals, of course, wanted to discontinue funding for Head Start. And our side. . .the good guys. What was our response? Well, we called them neanderthals. How could they be right? They're neanderthals. They're greedy. They don't like poor children. They're racists.

Do you see our methodology? They rely on a study. They make a logical, cogent point. We simply call them names and rely upon our own reputation for self-righteousness. Then....we wonder why these guys are murdering us on talk radio. They understand just enough of the situation to be dangerous (and wrong). But do we "tell the rest of the story?" No. Do we respond with reason? Do we respond with logic? No. We are far too good for that. What would a liberal talk show host do, call Republicans names for two hours?

We are the "right kind of people", you see, and they aren't. And if you don't believe this, then read Slander. I expected to find a book of right-wing blonde-bimbo-babble. And through the first few pages I was not disappointed. But somewhere around page 10, I began to get an uncomfortable feeling. Coulter wasn't just calling us bad names—she was challenging us to debate. And debate on logical grounds. Read this, from page 10 and 11:

"But ad hominem attack is the liberal's idea of political debate. They self consciously hold themselves outside the argument and make snippy personal comments about anyone who is actually talking about something. The Republican's motives are analyzed, his intelligence critiqued, his personal life unearthed. If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn't their arguments be easy to deconstruct? Someone who is making a point out of anger, ideology, inflexibility, or resentment would presumably construct a flimsy argument. So why can't the argument itself be dismembered rather that the speaker's personal style or hidden motives? Why the evasions?"

And for the next 230 pages of text and voluminous detailed footnotes, Coulter fires salvo after salvo after salvo of truth and reality broadsides squarely amidships into us. By the end of the book, I was physically nauseated. I am not ashamed to admit that I spent the next few days in a kind of psychic shock. I even began to question whether I still believed in income redistribution, affirmative action, and gun control. The only thing that saved me was when I realized that the answer to Ann Coulter and all the other right wingers wasn't to agree with them or become them, but to simply learn how to HONESTLY DEBATE THEM. And the reason that we haven't been HONESTLY DEBATING THEM, is that we have lost touch with our Democratic roots. Ann Coulter isn't our problem, WE are our problem.

We really, on a personal level, do not know the problems of young black children and because we don't, we rely on a PROGRAM to save them. LET THEM EAT CAKE, we say. And when Marie Antoinette first said that, it wasn't a mean thing—she just didn't understand the problems of the poor. And neither do we Democrats. The point of Head Start, for example, isn't to perpetuate the Head Start program. The purpose is to provide an educational boost to underprivileged children. If the program doesn't work, then we need to change the program. If the other side points out that the program isn't working, then we should thank them. What vested interest do we Democrats have in a program that doesn't work? None.

I have long thought that our Democratic leaders have lost touch with the grass roots. How else do you explain Democratic support for NAFTA, the Bankruptcy Reform Bill, the welfare program reductions, the increased use of the death penalty, tax reductions for the wealthy, and the Democratic failure to pass meaningful living wage legislation and the failure to provide for national health care.

In our impotent rage, we simply, well, rage. But that rage can be better utilized to accomplish some good. I believe that all of us need to read the Coulter book. I think it is almost a rite of passage for us. We need to come to grips with our failures before we can take back the Congress and White House. DON'T BUY THE BOOK, just check it out at the library, or borrow it from somebody. Pick up a copy on the $1.00 shelf at Books-a-Million in few months when the new has worn off. Do not support her, but do please read her. And after you finish, let's you and I roll up our sleeves and go to work. We need to return to our roots.


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The Dems apparently banned khangaskhan for his/her heresies. Good for us they don't believe in free speech and debate over there. parsy.
1 posted on 11/08/2002 7:45:30 PM PST by parsifal
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To: parsifal
Right wing moron website bump.
2 posted on 11/08/2002 7:48:16 PM PST by nonliberal
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To: parsifal
There may be some hope for this one...
3 posted on 11/08/2002 7:49:25 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: TLBSHOW
Ping! I found your old post. I think the silly dems owe Ladt Ann a big apology. BTW, I did not know how to link your article, but here it is by cut and paste magic:

Ann Coulter is Right and the Democrats Know it

While crusin the web today I came to the ratty rat hole of the rats and had to pull over. I could not believe the headline. "Ann Coulter is right", It said.

Then when I opened it there were some many replys I thought wow. Ann is kicking liberal rats butt over here too. Of course the rats that bite were smearing Ann, but what do you expect from the aliens amoung us.

It seemed like I was watching a joke play out. The one where the democrat that did read slander by Ann Coulter and then stood in a crowd of democrats and shouted out loud, Ann Coulter is right.

It is a great thread. One guy is standing up for the book and pointing out to this lynch mob of rats all that is truth about the democrats and why Ann Coulter is right on. It was a great way to wake up to 4th of July. And know the freedom we fight for from Rat control can happen. NO IT WILL HAPPEN

DOWN WITH THE DEMOCRATS THIS FALL

Freedom from Rat Control

Ann Coulter is Right and slander is the rats shame...

TLBSHOW 7/4/2002

(Thank tlbshow---you were ahead of them all! parsy.)

4 posted on 11/08/2002 7:49:36 PM PST by parsifal
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I suspect kk meant us, but I am not sure. parsy.
5 posted on 11/08/2002 7:50:31 PM PST by parsifal
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To: parsifal
A thoughtful liberal, a nice rarity.

What vested interest do we Democrats have in a program that doesn't work? None.

When he figures out this isn't true, he'll stop being a Democrat.

6 posted on 11/08/2002 7:51:39 PM PST by mlo
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To: parsifal
Well, I was rolling my eyes at yet another TLBSHOW-inspired Vanity post...

...And then I read it.

Man, that's hard-hitting stuff.

I tell you, if Dems ever take a step back and begin to question their fundamental precepts, that step back is in actuality their first step forward.

Ask David Horowitz.

7 posted on 11/08/2002 7:52:49 PM PST by Illbay
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". I even began to question whether I still believed in income redistribution, affirmative action, and gun control. "

I hope he hasn't stopped questioning his/herself. parsy.
8 posted on 11/08/2002 7:54:07 PM PST by parsifal
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To: Illbay
A Greenie told me with a straight face that he is better suited to label what is moderate because he has examined his beliefs and has purged all bias from himself. Then he proceeded to say America has shifted to the far right in recent years.

Man did I laugh my butt off.
9 posted on 11/08/2002 7:55:41 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: Illbay
What I find very ironic, is that the very thing that "XX Undergound" banned old kangas for, is exactly the same thing their grubby little leaders are saying today. I guess this is what happens when you think you are too good to listen to the other side. Thank you, skinner! Thank you, elad! Here's to the dem thought nazis! parsy.
10 posted on 11/08/2002 7:57:31 PM PST by parsifal
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To: parsifal
Well, he still doesn't really get it, although I must say he writes better than most. The style tells you there's actually a mind in there. Maybe there's some hope for the future.

He's right that if studies show that Head Start does absolutely nothing to help children, there's no point calling Republicans names for saying so.

But how much better is his solution? Debate. How are you going to debate if all the facts are on the other side? No, you admit that Head Start is a money-wasting dead loss and try something else. Maybe changing tax policy or divorce laws so there aren't so many broken families, for instance.
11 posted on 11/08/2002 7:57:45 PM PST by Cicero
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To: zip
ping
12 posted on 11/08/2002 7:57:52 PM PST by BOBWADE
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To: nonliberal
And for the next 230 pages of text and voluminous detailed footnotes, Coulter fires salvo after salvo after salvo of truth and reality broadsides squarely amidships into us. By the end of the book, I was physically nauseated. I am not ashamed to admit that I spent the next few days in a kind of psychic shock. I even began to question whether I still believed in income redistribution, affirmative action, and gun control.

The rat, for a moment, actually started to think rationally. But then he rebounded. He thought that the answer was to learn to debate us. What he doesn't know, is, that once you accept logic and reality, your life as a demonrat has only two real choices:

1. You become one of the self serving elite who use the ignorance of the masses of demonrats to "get yours".

2. You become one of us.

I guess there is a third choice

3. You give up on logic and reality, and go back to being a run of the mill demonrat.

13 posted on 11/08/2002 7:58:45 PM PST by marktwain
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To: parsifal
Ya know, it's not like tlbshow needs his head to get any bigger......he's barely able to squeeze into the FR login process as it is.
14 posted on 11/08/2002 8:00:57 PM PST by hole_n_one
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The writer is so close to switching parties he/she can almost taste it. It's just out of reach. Let's hope the next couple years turn 'em. Once the other side that can actually think on their own and question "thing's" get a chance to be "free'er", maybe, MAYBE, they will see the light. It's my current opinion that hte Dem's are the party of the special interests. A party that is self imploding due to too many special interests.
15 posted on 11/08/2002 8:01:33 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: parsifal
I thought you were called Parsy the Dem??? You get religion and finally change parties?
16 posted on 11/08/2002 8:01:52 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: parsifal
We substitute canards and slogans for thought.
17 posted on 11/08/2002 8:02:16 PM PST by copycat
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To: marktwain; sweetliberty
If the dems keep stifling dissent the way they do, they're lucky to get any kind of thought at all. All I can say is, "Thank You *U for being U!" Can you imagine how the elections might have turned out if the dems had the courage to debate this type of poster rather than just ban them and pretend reality doesn't exist. parsy.
18 posted on 11/08/2002 8:02:48 PM PST by parsifal
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No. I'm still a dem, but I am one of the smart ones who votes republican. parsy.
19 posted on 11/08/2002 8:04:04 PM PST by parsifal
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To: parsifal
LOL! So Annie got to him and then his fellow travelers turned on him, and demonstrated with extreme prejudice, every point she was trying to make. It looks like he may turn from the dark side yet, it may take a few years of introspection, but he'll turn.
20 posted on 11/08/2002 8:05:32 PM PST by Brett66
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