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Libertarians are big time spoilers in Gov races
ma-firearms@world.std.com ^ | 11/6/02 | Ioffe

Posted on 11/08/2002 8:35:05 AM PST by pabianice

* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade.

Alabama:

*(D) Siegelman 674,052 A+

(R) Riley 670,913 A

(L) Sophocleus 23,242

Oregon:

(D) Kulongoski 493,385 C+

(R) Mannix 490,745 A

(L) Cox 47,444

Wisconsin:

(D) Doyle 800,958 F

*(R) McCallum 732,781 A

(L) Thompson 185,085

Wyoming:

(D) Freudenthal 89,407 A-

*(R) Bebout 85,556 A+

(L) Dawson 3,800

Not to mention that Thune will probably lose South Dakota Senate seat by a smaller margin that the Libertarian in that race got...

(D) Johnson 167,481 C+

*(R) Thune 166,954 A

(L) Evans 3,071

So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power. My question is why Libertarians run against good pro-gun candidates? I realize that there are other issues besides guns. Meanwhile people of Wisconsin have to wait another 4 years for gun licenses...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; timjohnson
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To: pabianice
One potential flaw in your analysis is the implicit assumption that those who vote Libertarian would vote Republican if no Libertarian candidate was running. I am not so sure that is true.

Some would probably vote Republican, but some would probably also vote RAT (remember, Libertarians espouse free pot, free booze, free sex, etc. -- you could make a convincing case that Clinton was a closet Libertarian).

But more to the point, I suspect many of them would not vote at all. Having a Libertarian candidate to vote for gives them a way to vent their frustration with the system, which is probably good. Without that pressure release valve, I think many would simply have nothing to do with the whole process.

21 posted on 11/08/2002 8:52:24 AM PST by blau993
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To: anniegetyourgun
I seriously considered the Reform party for a lot of races in my neck of the woods because they were making sense. They also were just a tad more honest in what they said they would do.

I did not vote for them except in one less important race. It didn't make any difference. Most of my guys lost because of that absolute idiot we had as a governor the last 8 years and who intently wasted money we didn't have on stupid unnecessary projects.

22 posted on 11/08/2002 8:53:57 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: anniegetyourgun
Well in WI, a message was sent allright. The candidate on the R side was a real stinker.

Tommy Thompson controlled WI for 16 years, no one could touch him at election time. His replacement McCallum, couldn't get the vote out. Look at the numbers compared to Thompsons past races. GOP voters did not turn out for Mc Callum. Place the blame on the door step it belongs; the GOP of WI.

23 posted on 11/08/2002 8:54:46 AM PST by porte des morts
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To: gore_sux
Libertarians are Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Democrats.

So you feel that these Republican candidates would've lost by an even greater margin had there been no LP candidate? Obviously using your logic the LP stole votes that otherwise would've gone to the Dems.

24 posted on 11/08/2002 8:56:12 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: porte des morts
Door County, huh?
25 posted on 11/08/2002 8:56:55 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: blau993
Libertarians espouse free pot, free booze, free sex, etc. -- you could make a convincing case that Clinton was a closet Libertarian.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Libs want victimless crimes decriminalized, which is far from "free" as in government-subsidized, no-cost that you imply. Clinton greatly expanded the role and power of the federal government in essentially everything he touched, which makes him a statist, the exact opposite of a libertarian, even though he hypocritically enjoys many of the vices his jackbooted thugs arrest other people for doing, that libertarians incidentally would like to see decriminalized.

26 posted on 11/08/2002 8:59:37 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Monitor
Umm,excuse me, but WI has had a Republican govenor for 16 years or more. Why doesn't the state have a concealed carry law yet? Do you blame the libertarians or a weak leadership,or maybe the issue is not the one the Repubs are focused on?
27 posted on 11/08/2002 8:59:37 AM PST by porte des morts
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To: pabianice
So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power.


28 posted on 11/08/2002 9:01:28 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: anniegetyourgun
Yeah, it sure is stupid to vote based on principles rather than expediency, isn't it? The important thing is to get elected, not to actually stand for something. How silly those Libertarians are !

Any Republican whiners our there who want to make a little bet? Now that the GOP controls the House, Senate and White House, how much will you bet that government will actually grow smaller? Let me know, I'll gladly take your money.

29 posted on 11/08/2002 9:01:38 AM PST by jimt
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To: Skibane
And those issues are better served by Democrats than Republicans? I don't think so.
30 posted on 11/08/2002 9:03:26 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: jlogajan
You are a minority in the Libertarian Party. Most of your brethren there would rather deny and election to a political step-brother, than actually win one and implement policy.
31 posted on 11/08/2002 9:04:39 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: blau993
remember, Libertarians espouse free pot, free booze, free sex, etc.

Libertarians espouse absolutely no entitlements. You want things, you earn money and buy them. The only ones I see advocating free drugs around here are Republicans. You may have heard of free prescription drugs for seniors?

-- you could make a convincing case that Clinton was a closet Libertarian).

This might be most absurd lie ever posted on FR. Libertarians as a whole despise the Clintons.

Maybe this jem will help your understanding:

"...when we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans...When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it...That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapons sweeps and more things like that to try to make people feel safer in their communities"
- Bill Clinton, MTV's Enough is Enough, 1994

32 posted on 11/08/2002 9:06:39 AM PST by freeeee
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To: pabianice
This is what the LP called being "principled"...for them, if voting for the LP canidate ends up electing a democrat, so what! They pound their chests and declare that they voted for principle, and are proud, that unlike we poor unprincipled dolts, they do not compromise. It is like a general in battle who is proud that he was true to the Army manual, but doesn't seen to notice that by doing so he is losing the war.
33 posted on 11/08/2002 9:08:06 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Republic of Texas
Most of your brethren there would rather deny and election to a political step-brother, than actually win one and implement policy.

Philosophically, perhaps, a half-brother, but in the "deeds not words" regard, libertarianism looks at both parties rather more as retarded cousins who suffer from thyroid-induced giganticism under the care of a gov't nurse.

34 posted on 11/08/2002 9:09:37 AM PST by Pahuanui
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To: Impeach the Boy
They pound their chests and declare that they voted for principle, and are proud, that unlike we poor unprincipled dolts, they do not compromise.

Ha ha ha. The Republicans have compromised enough prinicple for the rest of eternity. It's time somebody stuck to principles -- the vote mongering careerist Republican politicians and their fawning lickspittles like yourself never will.

35 posted on 11/08/2002 9:11:48 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: blau993
remember, Libertarians espouse free pot, free booze, free sex, etc.

If that's the case, I'm sure you'll have no trouble linking us to the Libertarian Party's website to show us exactly where in their platform you found that.

36 posted on 11/08/2002 9:12:16 AM PST by tdadams
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To: pabianice
Why are you blaming the Libertarians for your own party's problems? What percentage of the Republican party turned out to vote in these states? Surely if more republicans showed up you would have won.
37 posted on 11/08/2002 9:13:16 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: pabianice
Pollster disagrees about Oregon race:

http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/editorial/1036768331270180.xml
38 posted on 11/08/2002 9:14:08 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: BlackRazor
I think we're voting for the leadership of our cities, states and nation; not the Heisman Trophy. One vote, choose wisely.
39 posted on 11/08/2002 9:16:01 AM PST by discostu
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To: gore_sux
Libertarians are Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Democrats.

B.S.

I voted Republican, since this was a close race where there was a serious difference between AZ's two candidates for governor.

40 posted on 11/08/2002 9:16:04 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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