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Libertarians are big time spoilers in Gov races
ma-firearms@world.std.com ^ | 11/6/02 | Ioffe

Posted on 11/08/2002 8:35:05 AM PST by pabianice

* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade.

Alabama:

*(D) Siegelman 674,052 A+

(R) Riley 670,913 A

(L) Sophocleus 23,242

Oregon:

(D) Kulongoski 493,385 C+

(R) Mannix 490,745 A

(L) Cox 47,444

Wisconsin:

(D) Doyle 800,958 F

*(R) McCallum 732,781 A

(L) Thompson 185,085

Wyoming:

(D) Freudenthal 89,407 A-

*(R) Bebout 85,556 A+

(L) Dawson 3,800

Not to mention that Thune will probably lose South Dakota Senate seat by a smaller margin that the Libertarian in that race got...

(D) Johnson 167,481 C+

*(R) Thune 166,954 A

(L) Evans 3,071

So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power. My question is why Libertarians run against good pro-gun candidates? I realize that there are other issues besides guns. Meanwhile people of Wisconsin have to wait another 4 years for gun licenses...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: johnthune; kurtevans; libertarian; timjohnson
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To: carenot
Debate what? Do Libertarians only like pot, booze and sex when it is free? Hardly seems worth my time or yours.

Old Jefferson needed to be tweaked because he is too full of himself and appears to lack a sense of humor. If you want to hate me for that, I'm all yours.

221 posted on 11/08/2002 2:37:08 PM PST by blau993
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To: pabianice
It is unfortunate that this is happening. But what do Republicans expect? They constantly spew venom at Libertarians. The folly is that Libertarians tend to support the core issues that Republicans support. And the votes that go to Libertarians will be displaced from the Republicans. The same thing happened on the other side when Nader (Green)tooks votes from Gore....probably costing Gore the Presidency...thank God! If Republicans would just embrace the Libertarians on their common ground...and spread the love....then maybe more Libertarians would give up their votes to the Republican candidates. It just seems prudent to me.
222 posted on 11/08/2002 2:39:06 PM PST by hove
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To: Roscoe
Again, with a single line-item veto, funding for school choice will disappear

What school choice?

223 posted on 11/08/2002 2:43:11 PM PST by carenot
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To: pabianice
Do you have ANY PROOF that those voting for a Libertarian Candidate are in fact 'Libertarians'????

Or is more of a case where people go in to vote, mostly on LOCAL issues etc, and don't like EITHER the Dem or Repub candidate and vote for the Libertarian in order to send a message??

Besides...if the Republican Party in those states cannot get our ALL of their Registered party members...(in which case they would have won easily)....why insist on blaming someone else???

redrock

224 posted on 11/08/2002 2:45:20 PM PST by redrock
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To: carenot
http://www.dpi.state.wi.us/dpi/dfm/sms/choice.html
225 posted on 11/08/2002 2:46:06 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: blau993
If you want to hate me for that, I'm all yours.

I won't hate you because you don't know what you are talking about.

Please don't hate me because I am beautiful.

226 posted on 11/08/2002 2:48:17 PM PST by carenot
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To: Roscoe
Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

I don't believe the Feds should be handling the schools, though.

227 posted on 11/08/2002 2:51:47 PM PST by carenot
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To: redrock
Do you have ANY PROOF that those voting for a Libertarian Candidate are in fact 'Libertarians'????

As you know votes are private, so the poof you seek will be elusive...

However, as this forum points out, there are many libertarians willing to settle for a LIBERAL democrat over a moderate/conservative/rino Republican. How this advances the libertarian cause is beyond me.

228 posted on 11/08/2002 2:55:47 PM PST by Drango
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To: blau993
You have to take meds? And why would I repeat that? Maybe you have me confused with justshutupandtakeit or CJ, they are both mentally ill.

For a moment I thought you might be also after you threatened me, but you seem to have calmed down now after the Prozak took hold.

Now that you are calmed down, tell me again why you felt compelled to tell lies about libertarians? Do you have "Hillary" illness? (The overwhelming compulsion to tell lies about your opponents)

Just curious. I hope this doesn't push you over the edge again into another violent frenzy.

:-)

229 posted on 11/08/2002 3:02:43 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: BikerNYC
If a Right-to-Life voter tells me she's voting for that party's candidate because the issues the candidate stresses are very important to her (and it doesn't have to be because she believes abortion is murder, it could be because she thinks the issue belongs out of federal hands) and a Libertarian voter tells me the same thing about the issues her party's candidate streeses, I take them at their word and think the both are quite justified in voting as they do.

My point is that Libertarian voters are not typically focused on a single issue like a right to life voter. There's a range of issues for most Libertarians. Maybe there's Liberatarian voters who think it's absolutely imperative that we legalize all drugs, and everything else is of secondary importance, but I think they're the exception. In general, I don't think any one issue assumes the same importance in their minds as abortion does for a right to life voter. So it becomes a question of do you get your way on some of them or hold out for every one of them? The ones holding out for every one of them are not moving things in their direction, they're doing the opposite. The fact is that the entire Libertarian agenda is never going to be implemented. There's these Libertarians who actually believe it is.

I totally disagree that the two parties are indistinguishable though that can be true for certain candidates.

230 posted on 11/08/2002 3:04:46 PM PST by lasereye
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To: freeeee

The only ones I see advocating free drugs around here are Republicans. You may have heard of free prescription drugs for seniors?

FREE?! Yeah right! Only after the extort money from me and every other taxpayer/extortion victim so they can buy the drugs they intend to give freely to seniors.

231 posted on 11/08/2002 3:07:50 PM PST by Zon
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To: Impeach the Boy

This is what the LP called being "principled"...for them, if voting for the LP canidate [sic] ends up electing a democrat, so what!

This is what the LP called being "principled"...for them, if voting for the LP candidate ends up electing a republican, so what!    BTW, I'm not a Libertarian.

You're a real hoot!

232 posted on 11/08/2002 3:11:15 PM PST by Zon
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To: 1redshirt
I would not mind continuing this discussion at another time ...

I'm here. Look me up. Anything you want to know about my positions and about the philosophy of non violent persuasion vs coersion and violence (force) as it applies to our system of governance will be repectfully addressed as long as you are genuinely interested in the answers.

233 posted on 11/08/2002 3:14:00 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: lasereye
In general, I don't think any one issue assumes the same importance in their minds as abortion does for a right to life voter.

Best I remember, we were supposed to vote for Rs so we could apoint judges that would overturn RoevWade.

234 posted on 11/08/2002 3:18:03 PM PST by carenot
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I only vote libertarian when I know the pubbie is toast. Or when the pubbie is a left-wing loser like former governor Pete Wilson of California.

I will ALWAYS vote for the Republican when they are true conservatives. Why shouldn't we make a protest vote if the pubbies keep throwing up checked-pant lefties who play "me-too!" with the Democrats?
235 posted on 11/08/2002 3:22:42 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: lasereye
There's a range of issues for most Libertarians. Maybe there's Liberatarian voters who think it's absolutely imperative that we legalize all drugs,

As a matter of fact, most libertarians I know are opposed to abusing drugs. They also oppose the WOD because they are consistent in their philosophy that human beings own themselves and that there is no LEGITIMATE power existing among men that allows force to be used against people who are not violating another persons rights just because people find their practices objectionable.

They believe that the legitimate role of government in a free society is to defend the rights of it's citizens. That is why they oppose the WOD. On principle, a dirty word around most Republicans on this forum.

Of course there is the slight matter of fact that the drug war doesn't work, but that is a different matter.

236 posted on 11/08/2002 3:24:23 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: cruiserman
Well the Conservative Republican Congress of 2001 did increase Farm Welfare and boosted funding for the Department of Education. These must be projects dear to the hearts of Conservatives because they vote for those who support such programs.
237 posted on 11/08/2002 3:29:49 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: pabianice
*BULLETIN**BULLETIN**BULLETIN*

Non-voting Republicans and Democratic vote fraud dwarf other excuses!

Don't choke on that 'food for thought', lol
238 posted on 11/08/2002 3:29:56 PM PST by fnord
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To: Monitor
I've answered your questions, now answer mine.

Okay, here's the answer, and you are not going to like it.

The GOP and MR. Tommy Thompson, after 16 years left the State of WI in a terrible mess. Higher taxes, bigger governmnet, more fees, and a lot less results.I won't evn get into a 3 BILLIONDollar deficit.

Scott McCallum was a weak candidate with an even weaker message. He was running against a socialist, who has enough baggage to sink a steam ship. Mr. McCallum managed to lose the momentum of the Tommy Thompson years, have normal GOP voters not show up, convince others to vote Libertarian, and get the dems to have a great turn out.

Yep, you're right, the blame falls squarely on the Libertarians and Ed Thompson.

Do a little checking, is your property tax bill larger or smaller than it was ten years ago.

Is your state government payroll larger or smaller?

Are the various fees you pay larger or smaller?

How does WI rank in comparison to any and all other states as to taxes/services rendered?

PS:If concealed carry is such a big issue to you, carry it concealed, no one will know.

239 posted on 11/08/2002 3:33:44 PM PST by porte des morts
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To: porte des morts
PS:If concealed carry is such a big issue to you, carry it concealed, no one will know.

I carry and have since it was still legal. Now it ain't, but I still do.

240 posted on 11/08/2002 3:48:49 PM PST by carenot
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