Abortion Rights Backers Show Alarm

AP via NYTimes.com ^ | 11/07/2002

[ellery]

I'm pro-choice up until the point of viability, after which I am decidedly anti. To me, that means no third-trimester abortions...I wish the focus on partial birth (a specific medical approach) would be extended to ALL late-term abortions.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Let them shake in their boots I am damned tired of the leftist democrats representing good as bad and bad as good all awhile saying they care for the underdog and poor folks and are 'for the people.'

They are pro death under the guise of women's 'rights' and then scream about death and want to take guns away! Such hypocrites! America has cought on to their lines of lies of utter evil vile and hate!How many partial birth and abortions was an uncounted vote?

[F.J. Mitchell]

Isn't it a twisted conception of reality, when these pro-baby murder ghouls, refer to those who are grieved to the soul over the 100 million babies, that have died because of the perverted supreme court decision called "Roe vs Wade, as extremist?

[luckymom]

be careful- "viability" not only is a matter of interpretation, but changes (gets earlier) all the time.

[dwills]

I don't know about zarf, but I am FOR abortions up until the indices of consciousness that you describe. Whether it's under 16, 20 or 24 months I don't know, but until that time I am PRO abortion (not just pro choice). I'm sick to death of unwanted or defective children coming into the world and of folks fearing Republicans' insistence that it not be prevented.

God doesn't choose to send new humans into the world, people do. Those required to pick up the tab for these new lives should have a say as to how this choice is exercised: Severe punishment of drug-addicted mothers who deliver defective children (depraprovera contraception and free abortion to avoid this consequence), mandatory adoption of new babies born to chronically welfare-dependent mothers, etc. This is a conservative position on reproductive rights.

There's no taxpayer who's natural interests are served by membership in the Democrat party, but so many have fled to them over the abortion issue. Their fear is irrational, since early-term abortions are so strongly favored by the American public that, even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, no state would outlaw the procedure today. If those of you with an absolutist position on this issue want your minority religious beliefs respected, then work to comfort those dealing with the traumatic experience and persuade people to use alternatives.

[Lurking2Long]

They're coming to take me away, ha-ha (the abortionists, that is)!

[dwills]

umm, i obviously mean weeks, and a time earlier than viability--that time at which they fetus registers anything on the order of sensation

[stands2reason]

Exactly. We need to educate peopl. Why can't we at least have abortion laws like England? What's so wrong with that?

[luvtheconstitution]

BUMP

[Steve_Seattle]

It has been obvious to me that preserving Roe v. Wade has been the central operating principle of the Democratic Party since the mid-1980's. Preserving Roe v. Wade at any cost is what has turned the party into a party of liars and thugs. The anti-Bork campaign, the Clarence Thomas hearings, the rabid defense of Clinton, the party line vote against Charles Pickering - all of the ugliest episodes in the history of the modern Democratic Party can be traced back to Roe v. Wade. The Dems should change their name to the National Abortion Rights Party. Then maybe aging Catholics like my parents (who vote 100% Democrat) would finally get it.

[No Left Turn]

"What will come of this country if we can't kill babies?" fretted Planned Parenthood president, Gloria Feldt.

[Steve_Seattle]

"no state would outlaw the procedure today"

I'm not sure about that, but I am sure that first and possibly second trimester abortions would be legal in MOST states.

[fooman]

Respectable position indeed.

[Aric2000]

Sorry to tell you all this, but NOTHING is going to happen with abortion, it is one of the 3rd rail of politics.

The only thing that we might get now is a ban on partial birth abortions, but the fact of the matter is, it ain't gonna change until the peoples minds are changed. Hitting them upside the head with laws is not gonna change anybodies minds, and shooting abortion doctors just makes it worse.

Nothing is gonna happen with abortion, either way.

It is in a deadlock and will remain where it is for quite a while yet.

[John W]

I'll just say,its a good thing we don't use "indices of consciousness" as a measure of whether or not to let adults live.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

While the timing of possible Supreme Court vacancies is uncertain, a battle may flare soon in Congress over the late-term procedure referred to by its critics as partial-birth abortion. Congress tried to ban the procedure in the late 1990s, but failed to overturn two vetoes by President Clinton.

Referred to by its critics? That is what the procedure is actually called by those who provide this grisly 'choice.' Infanticide would be what its critics (myself included) would call it. Further impartialitiy from those who edit the AP wire...

[fooman]

Lots of good points and reasons why limiting ergregious abortions is not as black and white as people may first think.

[MHGinTN]

uh, have you noticed how Bush has addressed one of the other rails, social security? Abortion is next, in some manner.

[Steve_Seattle]

"nothing is gonna happen"

Probably true. Even if Roe v. Wade were overturned, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Supreme Court would ever ban abortion on the grounds that it is taking a human life without due process. If Roe v. Wade were overturned, the issue would fall back to the states, and most states would retain legal abortion in some form or another. But Constitutional purists such as myself would love to see Roe v. Wade overturned anyway, because it is such a flagrant and unconscionable lie.

[fooman]

I agree with abortion being third railish. But I think that 3rd Trimester ban is doable once more and more people see live SHARP pictures of thier babies with the new 4D sonograph from GE.

Clearly, this is a hearts and minds campaign.

Also who could argue with a law that allows doctors to follow the traditional hippocratic (sp) oath?

In other words, if a hospital or individual does not want to perform abortion, it should not be required to.