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To: GeneD
Sorry to tell you all this, but NOTHING is going to happen with abortion, it is one of the 3rd rail of politics.

The only thing that we might get now is a ban on partial birth abortions, but the fact of the matter is, it ain't gonna change until the peoples minds are changed. Hitting them upside the head with laws is not gonna change anybodies minds, and shooting abortion doctors just makes it worse.

Nothing is gonna happen with abortion, either way.

It is in a deadlock and will remain where it is for quite a while yet.
34 posted on 11/07/2002 4:25:48 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
uh, have you noticed how Bush has addressed one of the other rails, social security? Abortion is next, in some manner.
38 posted on 11/07/2002 4:30:05 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Aric2000
"nothing is gonna happen"

Probably true. Even if Roe v. Wade were overturned, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the Supreme Court would ever ban abortion on the grounds that it is taking a human life without due process. If Roe v. Wade were overturned, the issue would fall back to the states, and most states would retain legal abortion in some form or another. But Constitutional purists such as myself would love to see Roe v. Wade overturned anyway, because it is such a flagrant and unconscionable lie.
39 posted on 11/07/2002 4:33:12 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Aric2000
I agree with abortion being third railish. But I think that 3rd Trimester ban is doable once more and more people see live SHARP pictures of thier babies with the new 4D sonograph from GE.

Clearly, this is a hearts and minds campaign.

Also who could argue with a law that allows doctors to follow the traditional hippocratic (sp) oath?

In other words, if a hospital or individual does not want to perform abortion, it should not be required to.
40 posted on 11/07/2002 4:34:19 PM PST by fooman
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To: Aric2000
The only thing that we might get now is a ban on partial birth abortions, but the fact of the matter is, it ain't gonna change until the peoples minds are changed. Hitting them upside the head with laws is not gonna change anybodies minds, and shooting abortion doctors just makes it worse.

In '73 the SCOTUS overthrew the laws of 50 supposedly sovereign states concerning abortion. At that time only 3 states allowed abortions under very limited, defined circumstances, like rape, medical emergency and the like.

The fact of the matter is, the minds of the people had nothing to do with the legalization of baby shredding and the minds of the people has little to do with whether the SCOTUS reverses itself. It ain't up for a vote in this system.

72 posted on 11/07/2002 8:13:22 PM PST by Lester Moore
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To: Aric2000
I doubt many pro-lifers in America honestly believe abortion will become illegal any time soon. I'm pro-life and I vote with that issue in mind, but I know going from over a million abortions a year to none is just not feasible. Also, I think Republican politicans who are too aggressive on this issue (i.e., advocating a ban on all abortions, including rape and incest) make a grave mistake. Most Americans simply do not embrace this position, but they do embrace reasonable restrictions.

And these are the restrictions that the new Republican majority should start working toward. I'm talking about outlawing ghastly partial-birth abortions, passing parental-notification laws, and banning all federally funded abortions (including those performed on military bases). Very few Americans of all political stripes would have a problem with passing these restrictions. Of course, the people who WOULD scream bloody murder are the leaders of the Democratic Party (i.e., Hillary, Pelosi, Daschle, Kennedy, etc.) And they're doomed to suffer because of it.

As we saw on Tuesday, being pro-life is not a political liability. Rather than support this lukewarm "big tent" policy on abortion, the Republican party is right to keep fighting for the unborn -- and we should do so without apology. We just need to do it the right way -- by advocating baby steps over an outright ban. Because George W. is absolutely right when he says we need to change hearts before we can change laws.
86 posted on 11/07/2002 10:26:51 PM PST by Gunder
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