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FBI Agents 'Miffed' that Gun Owner Contacted Media
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 11/05/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 11/05/2002 3:31:42 AM PST by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Prior to the capture of "Beltway Sniper" suspects John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo, an unconfirmed number of Maryland gun owners received surprise visits from the FBI as part of the investigation. One such gun owner had a surprise of his own for the agents when they arrived at his home.

Jeff Brown of Gaithersburg, Md., was "a little nervous" when he heard the voicemail message from an FBI agent on the sniper task force who wanted to "visit" Brown at his home to check a .223 caliber semi-automatic rifle Brown purchased in 1993. Adding to that apprehension was the fact that Brown owns and drives a full-sized white panel van, the type of vehicle investigators believed the sniper was driving.

"I expected, actually, to be pulled over and spread-eagle on the street at some point," Brown told CNSNews.com Monday. "When he called, I knew their database had had a double hit. A white van and a .223 rifle? I knew they were coming."

In a subsequent telephone conversation, Metzger reportedly told Brown that agents merely wanted to verify the serial number of the rifle and confirm that it was, in fact, still physically in Brown's possession. The two scheduled an appointment to accomplish those goals.

But Brown later learned that the agents had tried at least once to make an unannounced visit, and only called because they were unable to catch him at home.

"Once I told some of my friends in the pro-gun community what was happening, they began to relate some stories to me about guys having their guns confiscated, for so-called 'ballistic fingerprinting,' and not getting their guns back," Brown explained. "I became alarmed."

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said the attitude of the federal agents comes as a result of "years of accepting gun control as somehow useful for solving crimes."

"The [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] went to the stores and got the lists of gun owners that had something that could fire a .223. But, it didn't solve the crime," Pratt noted. "The only reason we find that gun registration is 'useful' is for confiscation."

FBI Agents 'Were Not Happy'

Brown's apprehension prompted him to contact an attorney, who instructed him on preparing for the visit. So, when FBI Special Agent Greg Metzger and his partner arrived at Brown's home for their scheduled meeting, they were greeted by Brown and his wife, Mary, along with reporters and photographers from various media outlets.

As Brown described the situation, the agents were "a little bit miffed."

"They were not happy," he observed. "They just were not interested in being around any cameras."

The agents asked Brown to step outside the home, away from the television crew, to talk.

"Can we, uh ... come here," one of the agents said to Brown. Obliging, Brown stepped away from the door to speak with the agents, but still within view of the camera.

Brown began recapping the agreement he had made with Special Agent Metzger. But when one of the agents realized Brown was wearing a wireless microphone, he stopped the conversation short.

"Do you have a microphone on?" the agent asked as he reached toward the microphone clipped to Brown's shirt. Brown backed away and continued talking, but the agent interrupted him again.

"Can you do me a favor?" the agent asked. "Can you take the apparatus off that you have on? I'd like to speak to you privately."

Brown complied, but only after summoning his wife to serve as a witness to the conversation with the agents. Out of the camera's view, and believing they could not be heard, the agents challenged Brown about the presence of the media.

"They were belligerent, at that point, with me. They weren't threatening me or pushing me around or touching me or anything like that, but their mannerisms and attitude quickly became offended and belligerent," Brown recalled. "I was thinking to myself, 'See, this is what I was afraid would happen if you guys came into my house, especially if I was alone.'"

'Don't You Know People Are Dying?'

Parts of the conversation picked up by the camera's long-range microphone confirm Brown's account of what happened next.

"Why didn't you give us a chance to do what we said we were going to do instead of ambushing us with the media? Why didn't you trust us?" one agent asked.

Brown said it was not so much the words the agents used, as their attitude and body language that made him uncomfortable.

"There was some lecturing about it," he said recalling one comment that did unnerve him.

"One thing they said was, 'Don't you know people are dying and we're just trying to do our job?'" Brown recalled, "Of course, the inference was that I didn't care that there were people dying and I was trying to interfere with them doing their job."

During that conversation, the agents reportedly admitted that they had seized other rifles, allegedly with permission, to compare them to the ballistic evidence gathered from the crime scenes.

"They said, from some people, they do 'request' to take the gun with them and do 'ballistic fingerprinting,' as they call it," Brown recalled. "I just did not want to have my gun disappear."

Pratt believes the agents "developed an attitude," because Brown challenged their attempts to violate his constitutional rights.

"The FBI is trying to put this guy on a guilt trip because he's 'not cooperating' with the system but it's a totally useless system," Pratt argued. "They just assume that gun owners [are] all a bunch of suspects just for being gun owners and they should behave accordingly."

'They Were Doing It On Purpose'

At the request of Special Agent Metzger, Brown instructed the media to stay outside his home, where they could see what was happening through a plate glass window. Brown had the unloaded weapon displayed in plain sight for the inspection.

The agents followed Brown and his wife inside and confirmed the serial number on the rifle as they had said they wanted to do. But that was not the end of the encounter.

"After they checked, they started [questioning Brown again], and that's when my wife stepped in and told them to leave," Brown said, noting that his wife formerly worked in law enforcement.

Mary Brown believed the agents were attempting to agitate her husband, hoping he would say or do something to justify their confiscation of his rifle.

"I could tell that they were doing it on purpose and I didn't like what they were doing to you," she told her husband. "So, I decided to just jump right in."

The agents left the couple's property, as they were ordered to do.

Jeff Brown does not believe the agents' reaction to the presence of the media, or their "brow-beating" tactics were justified.

"I'm not here to make them feel happy. I have to make sure my rights are not violated. I wanted to help, but this is not Nazi Germany," he explained. "I looked [Metzger] right in the eye and said ... 'I don't care whether you're upset about being ambushed by the media. I felt I needed some witnesses here with me.'"

Brown, a member of the National Rifle Association and former candidate for public office in Maryland, was also upset by what he perceived as a lack of honesty on the part of the FBI.

"[Metzger] wasn't upfront with me, and I didn't have any guilty feelings about [contacting the media]," Brown said. "They weren't truthful with me. They didn't tell me all the truth. They only told me the part they wanted to hear."

A Message to Gun Owners?

Debbie Weierman, a spokeswoman for the FBI, said the bureau would not respond to any questions about the encounter, because the probe into the multiple murders was still in progress.

"We're not going to be able to get into any kind of a dialogue with you regarding any aspect of our investigation," she said.

Pratt believes the response of the agents to the presence of the media shows that their main focus was not on finding the "Beltway Sniper," but rather on sending a message to gun owners.

"They know it's not about crime control because, if they were really interested in finding the perpetrator they would have kept moving. Obviously this guy wasn't the guy," Pratt concluded. "What it's really all about is showing that the feds are in control in a very totalitarian sense of the word."

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To: wcbtinman
"When I asked him if the govt should obey the law like everyone else, his response was "No". I asked him again just to be sure I heard him correctly, and again his response was to the effect that the ATF and the FBI do not have to follow the law in cases like this."

They are above the law, because their mission is so important.

This is what they believe, and that minset is a MAJOR part of my RKBA novel.

61 posted on 11/05/2002 7:24:05 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: bvw
How does one legally acquire a gun without getting recorded in some governmental database?

If you are in a state that permits it, buy from a private individual. Some states require that all transactions go through a check. Know your laws.

SD

62 posted on 11/05/2002 7:24:18 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Addressing the first few words (those being the only comprehensible portion before the post devolves into stream-of-consciousness drivel), it is quite obvious that the agents could do their admitted job of confirming the records no matter how many people were watching them.
63 posted on 11/05/2002 7:29:08 AM PST by steve-b
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To: DH
I've lived in Texas for the last 2 years and have never shown ID to buy ammo. I mostly buy at gunshows for cash. I even bought some .22LR at Wallyworld, and when they asked if it was for a handgun, I said "NO" (even though it was - I knew that they'd take down the info otherwise, and I wasn't in the mood to give them anything except cash for the ammo). I would do the same if I was buying 9mm or .45 - there are, after all, carbines that fire these calibers. There's no reason to EVER show your ID to anyone when buying ammo in TX.
64 posted on 11/05/2002 7:30:07 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: kattracks
I don't know, personally I think this particular gun owner is quite a jerk. Immediately assumed FBI was out to get him, his actions directly caused what should have been a routine investigative stop needlessly into a confrontational scene. Of course the media wants a confrontational scene so they can play it all over the news and get ratings. Amazing, this guy is trusting the media over the FBI, in the case of domestic terrorism....
65 posted on 11/05/2002 7:35:19 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: steve-b
A Steam of Consciousness is far better than a dry gulch of unconsciousness. Nothing in my comment need be modified by yours. It stands.
66 posted on 11/05/2002 7:42:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: asformeandformyhouse
Now if I buy from a private party in a non-reporting state for cash, and then take the gun to a gunsmith for a safety check and maintainence, what might happen?
67 posted on 11/05/2002 7:44:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: bandleader
Jeff Brown is a member of the Maryland Tyranny Response Team
68 posted on 11/05/2002 7:45:31 AM PST by drZ
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To: kattracks
blam
69 posted on 11/05/2002 7:46:32 AM PST by lodwick
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To: TC Rider
Way to go, keep it up.=o)
70 posted on 11/05/2002 7:53:02 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: 6ppc; dd5339
My guess, is they took the yellowcards from all the DC area gunshops and pulled them for .223 sales. Then crosschecked against white van owners... Yellow cards must be kept on file in the selling dealer's records...forever, as far as I know.
71 posted on 11/05/2002 7:55:36 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: DH
Do you have to do that to buy ammo via the internet?? Just wait and see the powers that be will push for getting rid of the internet ammo "loophole", PS went to a gunshow last Sunday...didnt see too many Islamakazis using the loop hole, what I did see was a woman merchant tell some skater punks looking for a pistol to take a hike, and a fair amount of people in the over 50 crowd looking for garands...Most of what was being sold was hunting rifles and not too many of the EBR's (evil black rifles)..all in all it wasn't too bad, I went there to spend some money and ended up making money, and you cant argue with that...

Later
72 posted on 11/05/2002 8:02:29 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: kattracks
"Why didn't you give us a chance to do what we said we were going to do instead of ambushing us with the media? Why didn't you trust us?" one agent asked.

Because you're an agent of the Federal Government? DUH!!
73 posted on 11/05/2002 8:11:16 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Nebr FAL owner
:^)
74 posted on 11/05/2002 8:11:25 AM PST by harpseal
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To: kattracks
Did they actually confiscate some weapons from some folks? If this is true, somewhere up the food chain someone is getting brownie points for breaking the law and implementing gun confiscation slightly ahead of schedule :-(. NOT good news...
75 posted on 11/05/2002 8:16:38 AM PST by SteveH
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To: bvw
How to buy a gun legally without government records:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/780255/posts?page=45#45
76 posted on 11/05/2002 8:18:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: dennisw
"This guy has a lot of guts not to play it the way the Feds want him to. He could now be on a permanent **** list."

I agree. Guess who's going to get a visit from The IRS next year. A nice long painful audit for his troubles...
77 posted on 11/05/2002 8:26:08 AM PST by strider44
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To: bvw
Now if I buy from a private party in a non-reporting state for cash, and then take the gun to a gunsmith for a safety check and maintainence, what might happen?

Again, that depends on the state. The majority of shops that I know in Louisville would not keep a record of the transaction other than the reciept needed for business purposes. No federal registration would occur, and the state should not be concerned with each individual transaction as long as the taxes are getting paid. But, yes, that would technically be a paper trail. If you paid with cash and scheduled the check where you could wait while it was performed, there would be no reason to give a correct name, if you were even asked. If you are that concerned, I would strike up a conversations with knowledgable gun owners and ask for a recommendation for someone to perform the maintenance check privately. My guess is that you will easily able to find someone, as this is not illegal and no one will susupect that they are being set-up.

78 posted on 11/05/2002 8:29:32 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: 6ppc
Easy answer....the form 4473 you fill out is the source. When the ATF does their annual visit they make copies of that form for all nonPC guns. These are processed either at the field or central offices. Yes, they're constructing an illegal database of owns of nonPC weapons. No one in Congress is interested either.
79 posted on 11/05/2002 8:31:08 AM PST by 556x45
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To: kattracks; nunya bidness; tomkat; stand watie; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; drZ; Gore_ War_ Vet; ...
Thank you for posting this story! I heard Jeff's story last week at a meeting of RKBA activists in Montgomery County, MD, and in his recounting of the story, the part that made us all laugh was that the FBI guy was upset because Jeff (how dare he!) had "ambushed" the FBI with a full compliment of news crews, cameras, etc. to witness the event.

For those of you who may not be aware, Jeff is an active member of the Maryland TRT - participating in many of their demonstrations against the 3Ms and Sarah Brady. He also ran for office here in Montgomery County, on a slate with other RKBA activists. Jeff also spent many hours standing with FReepers at the "Get out of Cheney's House" protests and Operation Infinite Freep demonstrations. He is the guy who comes armed with his "Don't tread on me" flag on a tall pole - and perched on top of the pole is a skull with Osama's name on it. Somewhere I have a photo of him and his "head on a pike" visual aid...

Salud to Jeff Brown!

80 posted on 11/05/2002 8:32:58 AM PST by tgslTakoma
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