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To: Irisshlass
Golly, you are apparently unfamiliar with the various versions of protestant Bibles. (and by this, I mean no insult; I'm sure there are a boatload of traditions in your Church with which I am not familiar)

Luther, and other Protestants, relied upon Jewish rabbinical tradition to establish the proper texts of the Old Testament.

Sorry, but Job, Hebrews and James are all in our Bibles. Tobit, Judith, 1st Maccabbees, 2nd Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus and Baruch are the books The Jewish tradition did not include in canonical scripture, which tradition has been followed by Protestants.

279 posted on 11/01/2002 4:07:15 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
I know you have the books but this is what he said..

We have no wish either to see or hear Moses.

Job . . . is merely the argument of a fable . . . Ecclesiastes ought to have been more complete. There is too much incoherent matter in it . . . Solomon did not, therefore, write this book . . . The book of Esther I toss into the Elbe. I am such an enemy to the book of Esther that I wish it did not exist, for it Judaizes too much and has in it a great deal of heathenish naughtiness . . . The history of Jonah is so monstrous that it is absolutely incredible . . .

He thought James an espistle of straw...Hebrews...bits of wood, hay and straw...

'There are many things objectionable in this book,' he says of the Apocalypse, . . . 'I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is a sufficient reason for rejecting it' . . .



282 posted on 11/01/2002 4:16:00 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: Mr. Lucky
Luther, and other Protestants, relied upon Jewish rabbinical tradition to establish the proper texts of the Old Testament.

Sorry, but Job, Hebrews and James are all in our Bibles. Tobit, Judith, 1st Maccabbees, 2nd Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus and Baruch are the books The Jewish tradition did not include in canonical scripture, which tradition has been followed by Protestants.

The problem is that after Christ there were TWO traditions. One started by Jews who accepted Christ and converted other nations and the other one which rejected Him and developed Talmudic Judaism.

The first of those two traditions kept the deuterocanonical books for many centuries. Only in XVI century Protestants arose who trusted more the second tradition in matter of Old Testament. For some reason Protestants could not get the New Testament that way and they had to rely on the first one :)

The leaders of future Talmudic Jews met in the 2nd century and rejected the books like Maccabbees (where the Hanukkah is described) or Wisdom. Around year 800 AD Jews split into radical Talmudists (the majority today) and into Karaits who reject the authority of Talmud. This led to the further redactions, especially that diacritical signs were added at that time. The Masoretic/Talmudic version of that time is the source of the Protestant versions.

283 posted on 11/01/2002 4:24:23 PM PST by A. Pole
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