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Rocky viewed as plaza profiteer: LDS Church lawyers hint he can't resist a 'windfall'
The Deseret News ^ | 10/28/2002 | Brady Snyder

Posted on 10/28/2002 1:29:58 PM PST by Utah Girl

Mayor Rocky Anderson may be having a hard time turning down a free public park, lawyers for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say.

And that, not public access, may be the reason for the mayor's decision not to relinquish a city easement through Main Street Plaza, church lawyers say. Without the easement, the church can't restrict speech and conduct on the one-block section of Main Street it purchased three years ago for $8.1 million.

In court documents filed earlier this week, church attorneys suggested the mayor was acting more as a profiteer than a crusader for fairness. Anderson's refusal to turn over the easement, announced last Tuesday, came after a three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled earlier this month that the speech and conduct restrictions were unconstitutional.

"Having been handed a significant windfall by the panel in a beautifully landscaped area worth tens of millions of dollars that the church paid for the 'privilege' of constructing and must now maintain at its own expense, the mayor perhaps not surprisingly is reluctant to change things," church attorneys wrote.

Church lawyers filed documents Wednesday seeking a rehearing before the full 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

A spokesman for Anderson, who is in India for a global-warming conference, said the mayor had no ulterior motives in refusing to hand over the easement.

"It was certainly not the motivation of the city to gain an extra park at the expense of the church," said Joshua Ewing.

In ruling that the city easement made the plaza open to free speech and expression, the three-judge panel created dueling tenants on the plaza ? the church and city ? each with seemingly equal property rights and interests.

In light of that ruling, the church asked Anderson to give up the city's easement, making the church the sole property owner and enabling it to reinstate its speech, conduct and dress restrictions. The mayor declined.

And now the city is joint tenant to a park it didn't pay for, church attorneys claim.

Salt Lake City not only received $8.1 million for the land, but also is benefitting from church landscaping efforts. And still the city has control of much of what goes on at the plaza. Anderson is set to craft "time, place and manner" restrictions for the plaza, which could even govern church functions.

All along Anderson has insisted his motive was not money or a free city park but a public right of way through the plaza. The 1999 sale included provisions for 24-hour public access while giving the church the right to control conduct, dress and speech on the Main Street block.

The 10th Circuit panel ruling snarled that agreement.

"The bottom line is that there is no way to ensure public access without constitutional rights attaching to it," Ewing said.

With Salt Lake City's First Unitarian Church as its client, the American Civil Liberties Union sued the city over the sale. U.S. District Judge Ted Stewart ruled against the ACLU, stating that the church's conduct, dress and speech restrictions were constitutional. The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals panel disagreed.

Despite being on the outs with the church, Anderson insisted in an interview earlier this week that Main Street Plaza will not hurt his chances in the November 2003 election.

He laughs at the suggestion that a Republican rival could defeat him by promising to return the easement to the church.

"If somebody did that they would get 5 percent of the vote," Anderson said. "Even LDS members would see through that ? No. 1 as pandering and No. 2 as being completely unethical."

Even if every LDS Church member in Salt Lake City voted against Anderson he could still win re-election. Pollster Dan Jones estimates that only 45 percent of Salt Lake City residents are Mormon.

Religion might not matter, said Tim Chambless, adjunct professor at the University of Utah's Hinckley Institute of Politics.

"There may be many people who do not claim LDS affiliations who are sympathetic to the LDS viewpoint," he said.

Still, Anderson is sure the plaza brouhaha won't cost him the November 2003 election. He maintains he took significant political risk by even considering giving the easement to the church.

In the end, Anderson kept it because the city would've never sold the land in the first place if not for the easement. Besides, he said, the church knew a court could rule against the speech and conduct restrictions prior to the sale.


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Oh boy, the battle just turned personal. Wow, the lawyers for the LDS church are not backing down. My brother works for the company that handles LDS church properties. He hasn't become involved in the Plaza, but has been working with the church's lawyers on some other issues. He said that this battle is far from over, and that the LDS church will take this to the US Supreme Court. I think some people in SLC want to make it a battle of a big mean church vs their 1st Amendment rights, but the true issue is the government (in the form of Rocky Anderson and his appointees in the SL city government) wanting to tell a private property owner what they can and cannot do with their private property.

My brother also says that the 1st Amendment rights apply to ONLY the public easement on the plaza, which is 12 feet on either side of it. The city is acting like they have control over the whole plaza, and the church is probably going to have to go to court anyway over that issue, at a minimum.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of animosity towards the LDS church from some quarters in SLC. If anything benefits the church, they don't want it to happen, even if it benefits all of the citizens of SLC. The most interesting part is that the LDS church owns the land that Abravanel Hall and the Salt Palace convention center sit on, SL City pays $1 a year in rent to the church. The church donated the land a century ago for the SL City-County building. The church lent the use of a block of land for the Winter Olympics Awards ceremonies in Feb, 2002 with NO restrictions on what SLOC could do with the land (including smoking and drinking.) SLOC is the one who set the restrictions for the awards ceremonies.

The saddest part is that some in SLC cannot abide the LDS church and its teachings, and feel that they must stick their fingers in our eyes at every possible juncture. A group has applied to have a wine and cheese party on the Plaza, right at the foot of the Salt Lake temple. They know full well that we don't drink alcohol, but in their pettiness they think it would be real fun to drink wine on church owned property. Sometimes I wonder if American society has gone overboard in the pursuit of OUR rights, especially when our rights interfere with the beliefs of others. As you can tell, this whole Main Street Plaza issue pushes my buttons in a big way.

1 posted on 10/28/2002 1:29:59 PM PST by Utah Girl
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2 posted on 10/28/2002 1:33:02 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
These fools think that they succeed against the Church of 2002 where mobs and even the Federal Government and those of at least two states failed against what once was a small band of pioneers.

"The wicked who fight against Zion

Will surely be smitten at last"......

3 posted on 10/28/2002 1:43:25 PM PST by tracer
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These fools think that they succeed against the Church of 2002 where mobs and even the Federal Government and those of at least two states failed against what once was a small band of pioneers.

"The wicked who fight against Zion

Will surely be smitten at last"......

4 posted on 10/28/2002 1:43:42 PM PST by tracer
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"Wow, the lawyers for the LDS church are not backing down."

This surprises you? The church always plair fair, but it doesn't run away from playing hard. I predict the Church will wind up with full ownership of the plaza in the end. The Lord knows the end from the begining.
5 posted on 10/28/2002 2:10:46 PM PST by Grig
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Yeah, it does just a little bit. I know the law firm that is involved, they are excellent lawyers, play hard, but fair. I'm with you, I think the Church will wind up with full ownership of the Main Street Plaza, I just think the battle is going to be really nasty from the opposition.
6 posted on 10/28/2002 2:13:45 PM PST by Utah Girl
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7 posted on 10/28/2002 2:15:34 PM PST by Free the USA
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The Federal Government didn't succeed at what? The Mormon pioneers, led by Brigham Young, wanted to practice polygamy AND become a state. The Feds said "NO", but Brigham said they would NEVER relinquish practicing polygamy. So, who gave in? The LDS Church buckled and publicly stopped polygamy. Of course they continued to practice is privately, which was obviously the plan all along. They didn't get away with that either, as the LDS prophet was hauled before the Senate (read the Reed Smoot case) and testified on the record indeed that LDS Church members INCLUDING himself continued to practice polygamy knowing full well that it was against the law AND the church's proclamation.

The fact that the LDS Church donated some land a century ago for government use is really quite meaningless, as in those days the LDS Church WAS the government.

Interesting that the "wicked" who are fighting against "Zion" are the majority in the capital of "Zion", SLC, as Mormons are a minority in their own home base city. That makes them "the Church of 2002" how?

Are you predicting the mayor specifically will be "smitten" or just anyone in general who opposes anything the LDS church does?
8 posted on 10/28/2002 2:22:57 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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Anderson, who is in India for a global-warming conference

What I want to know is why is the mayor of SLC is in India for a global-warming conference. Just how exactly is that benefitting the citizens of Salt Lake City? And how many of his family members are along for the ride? And how much is this costing the taxpayers?

9 posted on 10/28/2002 2:30:53 PM PST by oremites
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I wonder if there'll come a time when the Church moves its headquarters out of SLC? The place SOUNDS to me like it's becoming a cess-pit right along with every other urban area in the U.S.

Amazing that you have the "right of free speech" on private property nowadays.

Oh, wait, I forgot: You DON'T have the right of free speech even on PUBLIC property, if that public property is adjacent to an abortion clinic.

Nevermind.

10 posted on 10/28/2002 2:35:23 PM PST by Illbay
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Rocky may be blinking.

On KSL radio they are reporting that Rocky is in favor of a no smoking ban on all of SLC sidewalks or some of SLC sidewalks. I'll bet that "SOME" means the Main Street Plaza.
11 posted on 10/28/2002 2:56:32 PM PST by Lokibob
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It definitely means the Main Street Plaza, Rocky has already said that he would like to ban smoking there, as well as sidewalks and public parks in SLC. What the LDS church is worried about is having to apply for permits to hold events on the Plaza. Decorating for Christmas is another issue, the city has already stated it is "OK" for the church to decorate with Nativity scenes like it did last year, as long as they don't obstruct the walkways. And we can see what is coming down the pike, Nativity scenes are religious, have no place in public property, and a suit will be filed. Perhaps I am paranoid, but I do not see good things happening with the way things stand right now.

I've also heard rumblings of some anti-Mormon groups applying to protest and proselytize on the Plaza during General Conference.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 3:02:07 PM PST by Utah Girl
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This Catholic is 100% behind the LDS church on this issue. It is absolutely terrible what some people are doing on the plaza simply to tick off the Mormons. For them it is not free speech to sit on the plaza and smoke. They just want to so they can upset authority, ANY authority. Those people who push their own religion while denouncing the Mormons while on the plaza are just so tacky.
13 posted on 10/28/2002 3:05:08 PM PST by Andyman
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To: oremites
Oh, but Rocky as the global view of humanity in general. He is there to save us all. (Can you tell I don't like Rocky???) He's between a rock and a hard place with the plaza though, that makes me smile.
14 posted on 10/28/2002 3:06:23 PM PST by Utah Girl
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Golden Gun, You been away for a long time? You have such away about you!
15 posted on 10/28/2002 3:08:50 PM PST by restornu
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To: Utah Girl
The solution is simple: Instead of sending young men out on missionary work all over America, keep them all at the plaza, and witness to anyone that comes within fifty feet of it. Odds are high it will be turned over to your church within a year.

BTW you will need alot of bike racks.

16 posted on 10/28/2002 3:12:41 PM PST by DainBramage
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Yeah, the wine and cheese party really has me seeing red. We are taught to be good neighbors and respect other religions and other people's beliefs, but at times it seems as if all that is returned is disrespect for the LDS church. I think it would just be common courtesy to respect religious beliefs, but like you said, some people just like to poke their fingers in the eye of authority.

And thanks for your support. I would support any religion in this valley to practice the way they see fit. We don't have to agree with religious doctrine, but our country was founded for religious freedom. And that should go to respecting others' beliefs. (I'm not ranting at you, BTW...)

17 posted on 10/28/2002 3:18:21 PM PST by Utah Girl
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Simple solution to the problem:

Put up a fence around the area and mark it "private property."

18 posted on 10/28/2002 3:29:41 PM PST by wai-ming
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It may come down to that, except that the LDS church was trying to be neighborly and allow public access through the area. It is too bad, the plaza is a beautiful, quiet place for contemplation, or just to sit and look at the mountains or the flowers.
19 posted on 10/28/2002 3:31:09 PM PST by Utah Girl
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"Rocky viewed as plaza profiteer:"

Bullwinkle, say it isn't so!!!
20 posted on 10/28/2002 3:32:11 PM PST by APBaer
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