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Descent into Evil (John Muhammad suspected of attack on US troops during Gulf War)
Newsweek ^ | Nov 4 2002 issue | Evan Thomas

Posted on 10/28/2002 9:14:43 AM PST by spycatcher

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To: browardchad
"The implications of this case, in highlighting our inadequacies in law enforcement, screening of our military, special treatment of minorities, and immigration law enforcement, are staggering."

And this isn't likely to change it given that you could deliver illegals giftwrapped to the INS and they still won't deport them and the fact that the PC gestapo will not allow reforms that will actually make a difference.

Instead, we must continue to search for the angry white men that are no doubt behind all the evil in this country and will be found if we just continue to look beyond the obvious. < /sarcasm >

61 posted on 10/28/2002 10:39:30 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Sabertooth; Archie Bunker on steroids
I believe that Muhammed served the Oregon Air National Guard out of Portland where PC Moose also served.

Archie can you help Saber out here?
62 posted on 10/28/2002 10:41:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Interesting Times; Steve Van Doorn
Why do they have a tip line if they don't take tips?

I've come to the conclusion that the tip line is not much more than a public relations gimmick; its purpose is to allow the cops to say: "We're allowing the public to contribute."

It's similar to when government conducts a public meeting or a public hearing on an issue. The officials already know what they're going to do in 95% of the cases; but, by allowing public input [see "Environmental Impact Statement" - :>)], they fulfill the legal requirement for public involvement. In most cases, the officials consider such public input as being "something that's gotta be done", but they don't really endorse the practice - they merely give it lip service.

Even in this case, I saw the license number on FoxNews channel first, continuously toggling between them and MSNBC and CNN. And now I find out that the police hadn't wanted the license number released; yet, it was the public, not the police, who first found the vehicle. And here's the question that keeps coming back to me: "Why hadn't the police been cruising through obvious places - parking lots of shopping centers, WalMarts, and rest areas - looking for the suspect vehicle? That would have been my first place to look! It appears to be so easy to hide in those places, or get rid of unwanted items in public trashcans at those locations!

63 posted on 10/28/2002 10:43:12 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Recon by Fire; null and void
Got the info from the seebee combat handbook.

Could be an old version or there could be different types and sizes of thermite grenades

64 posted on 10/28/2002 10:45:01 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: twigs
This was posted by Spunky on this situation:

Dateline, Primetime, or 20-20 I don't remember which, as I was watching them all, had film footage of the take down of the two illegals, and yes in the background at another phone booth were the two snipers.

51 posted on 10/28/2002 10:25 AM PST by Spunky

So these two Nation of Islam Serial Killers set up this event and had a great laugh that morning as the illegal aliens were dragged from an evil white van.

65 posted on 10/28/2002 10:45:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: spycatcher
Hmmmmm. More examples of how the government protects us from kooks.Gee - I feel so much safer now - NOT!
66 posted on 10/28/2002 10:46:55 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Grampa Dave
How many more Nation of Islam anti Americans have been in our military and are in it do damage to our good service people.

Tim McVeigh comes to mind. Not an identical story, but an Iraq sympathizer.

67 posted on 10/28/2002 10:48:25 AM PST by js1138
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To: pabianice
Does anyone have Muhammad's SSN? With it I know how to get his Army record (all perfectly legal)...

Check here...

Documents on the Beltway Sniper (Legal name is John Allen MUHAMMAD)

Flag me with what you learn.

This is of interest...

Muhammad was transferred to Germany in 1990, fought in the Gulf War in 1991, returned to the United States in 1992 and got an honorable discharge from the army, as a sergeant, in 1994.
LINK

I'm wondering how close Muhammad was to Hamburg. His Oregon National Guard info might also be useful.




68 posted on 10/28/2002 10:48:27 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Have you got the links on his Oregon National Guard Service? Do you know where he was stationed and when?

Sniper Suspect and Moose in Oregon Guard

John Allen Muhammad, the former soldier arrested Thursday in connection with the serial sniper attacks around Washington, D.C., trained in the Oregon National Guard near Portland International Airport during the same time as former Portland Police Chief Charles Moose served at the airport with the Air National Guard.

Staff Sgt. Leisha Leyson of the Guard’s 41st Brigade trained with Muhammad at the 141st Battalion, or Bravo Company. She remembers him as a serious, “military-minded” loner who proved himself an “exceptional shot” with an M-16.

“He didn’t have a lot of friends in the unit, and he wasn’t there very long,” Leyson said.

Muhammad was stationed at the Fort Lewis Army base south of Tacoma before joining the Oregon National Guard. His service lasted from 1985 to 1994. He appears to have served with the Oregon Guard without ever residing in Oregon.

A public records search showed an address for Muhammad in Lakewood, Wash., in May 1994 and another in Tacoma in June 1994.

The exact dates he served aren't specifically stated (bad reporting), but from the last paragraph quoted above, it would appear to be in 1994.

69 posted on 10/28/2002 10:49:16 AM PST by browardchad
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To: js1138
Now you get into another scary area.

How many white Americans, who hate America were hired by the Islamofascists to be Mercs or stupid ones served up as sacrifices to deflect investigations from the Islamakazis?
70 posted on 10/28/2002 10:55:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Recon by Fire; null and void
Ah, sorry I screwed up by cut and pasting some extra stuff where the heading was for the diagram. This is all it does

Incendiary Grenades

The AN-M14 incendiary (thermite) hand grenade is cylindrical in shape and has a sheet metal body with emission holes in the top (fig. 12-4). It weighs 32 ounces and contains a filler of 26.5 ounces of TH3 thermite mixture. It uses an igniting fuze that sets fire to the thermite filler after the normal delay. The thermite filler bums for approximately 40 seconds at a temperature of about 4300°F. A portion of the thermite filler changes into molten iron that flows out of the grenade and produces intense heat over a small area. This molten iron ignites or fuzes whatever it touches. It is used to ignite combustible materials and to destroy all types of equipment. It burns through about one-fourth inch of steel and welds together steel or iron machinery parts when molten iron flows between them.

71 posted on 10/28/2002 10:56:14 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: browardchad
If the main newspaper in Oregon and Portland, the Oregonian wasn't such a sack of Political Correctness run by pink panty wearing Diversity Queens, they would have had this data on their front page.
72 posted on 10/28/2002 11:00:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I went to downtown Mobile this morning to the doctor, in the slow moving traffic, a car with a young black male inside pased me. After he passed, I noticed he had a bumper sticker (black letters on a white background) that said:

"Oh! Muslims--Unite, Unite, Unite."

That's the first time I've ever seen anything like that around here.

73 posted on 10/28/2002 11:03:47 AM PST by blam
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To: spycatcher; Grampa Dave; blam
"The dark Caprice was on the watch list, but the task force obviously failed to tell cops on patrol who stopped the car coutless times or tip line operators who turned away callers."

I'm not sure that I buy that "fact".

The Caprice had its tag run by police at ten of the 13 attack sites. Had it TRULY been on a super-secret watch list, at least one of those stops would have nabbed the snipers.

74 posted on 10/28/2002 11:07:46 AM PST by Southack
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To: spycatcher
Now, a FOURTH government failure to add to list of reasons why the killings were possible:

1. PC "catch-and-release" plan for non-white serial killers driving a Caprice reported by an early witness, followed by more deaths.

2. INS releasing America-hating Malvo so that Muhammed would have an essential partner.

3. Apparent failed/inadequate/incompetent background check for murder weapon purchase by restraining-ordered purchaser.

4. Wimpified PC military failing to incarcerate or execute the fellow who attempts to murder American soldiers.

(5. gun control laws that disarm a population, making them tempting targets, and preventing bystanders from shooting to stop the killers.)
75 posted on 10/28/2002 11:07:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Grampa Dave
yes in the background at another phone booth were the two snipers.

No way. Can someone post an image of this?

76 posted on 10/28/2002 11:10:43 AM PST by Naspino
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To: Miss Marple
FBI merely asked him if he had sold the car, and asked him who bought it. Apparently Fox asked more detailed questions than the FBI.

*sigh*

77 posted on 10/28/2002 11:12:47 AM PST by null and void
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To: Naspino; Spunky
Spunky posted this.

There have been freepers referring to this possibility this weekend, I didn't mark any of those replies as there was no documention and I didn't know the Freepers who posted it.

Hopefully someone will find this and start a thread on it!
78 posted on 10/28/2002 11:16:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: spycatcher
Ah! Now it fits. The first paragraph sounded more like Willy Pete now that I think about it...
79 posted on 10/28/2002 11:18:59 AM PST by null and void
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To: Grampa Dave
If this SOB is guilty of this act, he has been sheltered from justice due to the PCing of our military. He deserves to be brought up on appropriate charges and tried in a military court and then shot when found guilty.

How many more Nation of Islam anti Americans have been in our military and are in it do damage to our good service people.

I totally agree. This is outrageous. Mohammed has evidently been making anti-American statements for a long time.

80 posted on 10/28/2002 11:20:25 AM PST by FR_addict
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