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Descent into Evil (John Muhammad suspected of attack on US troops during Gulf War)
Newsweek ^ | Nov 4 2002 issue | Evan Thomas

Posted on 10/28/2002 9:14:43 AM PST by spycatcher

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To: Mr. D
"Also, I am sick and tired of the media flashing on the tv screen over and over the photo of malvo and muhammad sitting ot the couch together smiling, like they are one happy family. These thugs are cold blooded killers! Where is the outrage, just because they are black?"

IIRC, they are suspects in the murder of the Tacoma, Wash. woman who's home that pic was taken in.

101 posted on 10/28/2002 12:46:02 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave; All
So these two Nation of Islam Serial Killers set up this event and had a great laugh that morning as the illegal aliens were dragged from an evil white van.

I know freepers won't like this post. But, here it is anyway.

Not only did the snipers have a laugh, but the US deported two law abiding, hard-working, family-oriented men. Their lives, which they were building in the US, through hardwork and initiative, were completely disrupted by the incompetent task force. They were sent to back to the hell hole from which they worked so hard to escape.

Instead, the snipers went on to kill another day.

I wish some "genie" could make losers like John Muhammed forfeit their American citizenship. And, I mean he would have lost it long before he became sniper. And his citizenship then awarded to a deserving, value-added man like the poor illegal alien who was deported.

102 posted on 10/28/2002 12:49:06 PM PST by ARCADIA
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To: austingirl
This source claims he was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED from the Louisiana National Guard.

Muhammad served from 1978 to 1985 in the Louisiana National Guard, where he faced disciplinary charges twice - including a conviction for striking a noncommissioned officer in the head while on duty.

He subsequently managed to enlist in the regular Army....how that was accomplished needs to be explained.

103 posted on 10/28/2002 12:50:15 PM PST by navigator
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To: TechJunkYard
Thanks for the info. But I do wish the statement by Roselli had not been hedged.
104 posted on 10/28/2002 12:52:03 PM PST by per loin
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To: TexKat
Thanks for the interesting data about Army personnel already members of Islam.

HRH Gen Prince Khalid Bin Sultan has indicated that during the Gulf War 1991 there were a fair amount of US troops who embraced Islam mainly due to the purity of this religion. And some of the figures which he had provided in his most readable book are only about the personnel who took part in the Gulf War - 1991.

I'm not to sure about Bin Sultan's accuracy, however.

105 posted on 10/28/2002 1:03:39 PM PST by xJones
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To: Grampa Dave
Kind of makes you wonder about the real story behind some "friendly fire" incidents, doesn't it?
106 posted on 10/28/2002 1:04:31 PM PST by LPStar
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To: spycatcher
bump
107 posted on 10/28/2002 1:09:30 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: LPStar
Maybe, military intel will re visit some of these friendly fire cases to see if some patterns are there that were over looked.
108 posted on 10/28/2002 1:13:54 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Sabertooth
Please add me to your ping list. Thanks!
109 posted on 10/28/2002 1:18:29 PM PST by nycgal
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To: spycatcher
dark-colored vehicle with New Jersey tags”

Too bad she didn't get any of the tag numbers or letters, when she noticed the Jersey tags!

110 posted on 10/28/2002 1:28:06 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Mixer
Where are all of the people that said this guy was not related to ME terrorism. I am serving crow in the lunchroom in 15 minutes.
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well, mixer, I consider myself to be a man of integrity, so here I am....I did not think the sniper was related to ME terrorism, and guess what? Still don't. Haven't seen anything yet to convince me of it.

Is every crime committed by a Muslim now ME terrorism? I don't think so.

How long will crow keep in the fridge, still plenty of time for me to be way wrong...
111 posted on 10/28/2002 1:29:26 PM PST by dmz
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To: austingirl
had a "less than honorable" discharge from the military?

" Muhammad joined the Army National Guard in Louisiana in 1978, and moved to the active Army in 1985. He served as an Army combat engineer in the 1991 Gulf War. He eventually attained the rank of sergeant (E-5), and received an honorable discharge on April 25, 1994, from Fort Lewis in Washington state, Pentagon sources said.

That, however, did not end his association with the military. Muhammad joined the Army National Guard in Oregon in 1995 and served for a year. Again, he left with an honorable discharge."

ABC News

112 posted on 10/28/2002 1:50:05 PM PST by dread78645
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Always tip 20% on the tip lines...
113 posted on 10/28/2002 1:51:25 PM PST by weegee
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To: twigs
Hope this case will change the ways that such investigations take place

I think that's the scary part. I've NEVER in my life seen an investigation run the way this one was. I think the reason that so many were uncomfortable with it was because it was handled so differently from what we are used to. When has there been a case where they didn't bother to do a composite? Or concealed any description whatsoever from the public. Usually they are calling on the public. This clown wanted people to mail their tips in. And the people on the tips line were apparently hanging up on a lot of people.

I've never seen an investigation managed like this. I hope it is an abberation and not the wave of the future.
114 posted on 10/28/2002 2:08:01 PM PST by johnb838
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To: Grampa Dave
Have you seen the FOX Gretta interview with Chief Moose and Mrs.Moose?

She is a very bleached lady of the Caucasion persuation.

It now seems that dozens and dozens of government employees knew that John A. Williams (Muhammad) was, is, a traitor, thief,smuggler,viloent,document forger,liar,fraud......

But hey,whats a few dead people in DC matter?
115 posted on 10/28/2002 2:20:33 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: browardchad
Sunday, October 13, 2002

FLIT'S SNIPER PREDICTION

At present, the authorities in D.C. are looking for a white cube van, a white panel van, and a burgundy Chevy Caprice.


116 posted on 10/28/2002 2:23:21 PM PST by TexKat
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To: per loin
I do wish the statement by Roselli had not been hedged.

I don't know what you mean.

117 posted on 10/28/2002 2:35:13 PM PST by TechJunkYard
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To: spycatcher
Islamist death cult.
118 posted on 10/28/2002 2:38:01 PM PST by onedoug
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To: TechJunkYard
Perhaps in remembrance of the Clinton years, I tend to parse official statements. I can imagine his to be later amended to:

"Any alterations made to the trunk of the vehicle to accommodate the heinous acts of the alleged snipers did not occur while Bordentown Township owned this vehicle," Roselli said. The alterations we made were only to accommodate the use of camera equipment in the trunk of the car.

119 posted on 10/28/2002 2:44:36 PM PST by per loin
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To: spycatcher; null and void; Aquinasfan; Recon by Fire
Spycatcher,

Your quote from the Seabee combat handbook creates a small confusion. The AN-M14 incendiary (thermite) hand grenade is NOT a bursting grenade as suggested by the first paragraph you posted. The AN-M14 only produces a localized very high intensity heat source and molten iron. Thermite is NOT an explosive.

The confusion in what you posted arises from the way your source laid out that page of their manual. The first paragraph you posted was actually the last paragraph of the preceding sub-chapter entitled "Chemical grenades" (tear gas). They mistakenly interposed the graphic of the AN-M14 thermite grenade one paragraph too soon in their page layout.

Your second paragraph is precisely on point and an accurate description of the operation of the AN-M14. Hope this clears up the confusion.

Regards,

Boot Hill

120 posted on 10/28/2002 2:46:02 PM PST by Boot Hill
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