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War veterans 'injured' once again
Hareld Tribune ^ | October 28, 2002 | Douglas L. Sprey

Posted on 10/28/2002 5:13:10 AM PST by matrix

War veterans 'injured' once again


When President Bush signed the defense bill earlier this month (a package that totaled $355.5 billion), an item that was omitted, due to threats of veto, was a piece of legislation about "concurrent receipt."

House-originated, concurrent receipt legislation affects approximately 88,000 veterans who are retired from the military after 20 or more years of service and have service-connected disabilities of 60 percent or more.

These veterans who suffered wounds, chemical poisons such as Agent Orange, and various other disabilities adjudged by the Veterans Administration to be caused or aggravated during their military service have been again denied their rightful due.

The administration has continued a terrible policy of making these disabled veterans pay for their own disabilities. The disability pension authorized by the VA is deducted from the 20-year-plus service pension they earned day by day and year by year, carrying the will of the American people to the far corners of the earth in harm's way.

In signing the defense bill, our president stated "Since Sept. 11, Americans have been reminded that the safety of many depends on the courage of a few."

The reality is that some of those courageous few, who have been struck down and disabled during their military career, were not included in the $355.5 billion bill. These fallen or disposable heroes have finished their careers and will continue to pay for their own disabilities out of their service retirement until Congress and the administration deign to recognize and compensate them for their sacrifices.

Douglas L. Sprey



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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: vererans

1 posted on 10/28/2002 5:13:10 AM PST by matrix
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To: Militiaman7
Ping.
2 posted on 10/28/2002 5:15:35 AM PST by matrix
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To: matrix
We can not afford to take care of our veterans but can afford uneeded smart weapons and high-tech toys for the boys in the Pentagon and White House. Somewhere there is a disconnect between fantasy and reality. With many enlisted men on food stamps and disregard for veterans who have served a lifetime for the defense of our country, how can we expect our armed forces to continue? It is no wonder that we lack the manpower to conduct operations.
3 posted on 10/28/2002 5:28:12 AM PST by meenie
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To: matrix
The administration has continued a terrible policy of making these disabled veterans pay for their own disabilities

Support this statement with facts.

4 posted on 10/28/2002 5:38:57 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
here is a fact or two for you...

A childhood friend of mine was an infantry sergeant in the 1st Cav...

Growing up he was a nice kid...he onced saved a couple of us younger kids from older kids burying us alive in an underground sewer system under construction..

He was shot in the neck by a VC hiding in a spider hole ..severing his spine

From the age of 19 on he has been quadrapalegic..confined to a wheelchair powered by a breath tube..

He went on to earn a degree..the hard way on a bed pushed into the classroom...he endured many years of agony

The VA and the American taxpayer would not pay for his treatment within a reasonable distance from our home town...He and his family had to move to a large city in order for him to recieve care..He had to give up being around his childhood friends and his family had to move where they did not want to in order for him to recieve the care he had to have to save his life.

Not long ago when there was a budget shortfall...and all the VA employees sat around collectiong their pay not seeing patients as the budget was ironed out...he was told there was no money for 'leg bags' and if he needed some he would have to buy his own out of his own pocket..He did..the alternative of course was unacceptable..

Had this same man been a gardner or a laundry guy inured in this same VA hospital the medical care and dental insurance would be ten times better than my friend gets..

And dont think this insight is lost on our Vets..

If you are a disabled vet and receive adequate care at a VA hospital I am happy for you..I havent seen this as the norm..although I would recommend Loma Linda, CA and Gainsville and Jacksonville Fl only from what Ive heard

It is no accident that when federal employees who work at VA centers take ill....they dont seek treatment at the hospital...their insurance provides for health care at a civilian hospital and that is where federal employees go for health care..

This always struck me as odd...since service could easily be provided at the facility where they work..but when asked about this ...the VA employees were adamatly against it...
Guess they know something about the state of health care..in the VA system...

In his book 'Born on the Fourth of July' Ron Kovic was not exagerating about the state of the VA hospital in Brooklyn...Once he shed light on it ...changes were forced on them...

If you were about to send you son off to fight..would you really want this kind of inadequate care for him..after wounding the disability in some cases lasts forever...and the substandard treatment and attitude of the affirmative action employees is demoralizing and embittering..

The men and women who have given their lives to lead and manage the military deserve equal treatment as to their civilian counterparts...in pay and benefits..maybe even more so in many cases..

My dad was wounded in both WWII and Korea after 23 yrs of service he retired..he was disabled from his wounds yet worked every day of his life often in pain...rarely do I remember a complaint out of him..I wish I was half as tough..

He was killed in an accident a few years after retireing . I cannot imagine the struggle he would have had to go to as his wounds caused him more pain and more disability as he grew older..severe wounds compromise health in as the veteran grows older..

Our older wounded veterans are in more pain..and and often dont get to enjoy the same life to the same fullness as their non veteran non wounded counterparts

For them to bear a burden that no civilian federal employee has had to is imo criminal...

If soldiers marines and sailors are not given the best training and the best equipment and the best after care when the nation spends billions on foreign aid and pork projects to keep entrenched politicians wealthy and secure and veterans dont rate the same consideration and care as their civilian couterparts..

For Bush to let this go..and for the American people to let this go..dissapoints me alot..

Frankly until the President & the American people are willing to take care of their wounded I say let them fight their own damn war then...Im advising my kid to stay out of this one..

I still say screw the democrats as they a lying sacks of shit about taking care of vets..they are users..
The Repubs dissapoint me greatly on this and the muzzling of free speech aka campaign finance reform
5 posted on 10/28/2002 6:29:35 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
joe....Reality...

When in the military, avoid military medical care at all costs. After the military, never ever seek care from a VA facility.

Veterans of any age will tell you government concern after service is negligent at best for all too many. Horror stories always abound, this has always been true and will never change.

6 posted on 10/28/2002 7:10:52 AM PST by cynicom
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To: verity
First, ask the author.

Second, the law which makes disabled retirees pay for their own disabilities has been on the books since the 1890's. It got passed by a Southern Senator who was trying to punish Yankee soldiers who were retireing. What has this administration done to change that? Nothing! On the contrary, Dubya has threatened a veto if Congress dares include "concurrent receipt" relief as part of the FY2003 Defense Authorization Bill, and Hastert, Armey, DeLay, et. al. (our pubbie buddies), have done everything they can to kill the provision.

7 posted on 10/28/2002 9:40:28 AM PST by matrix
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To: USMCVet; Teacup; XtreMarine
for your attention.....
8 posted on 10/28/2002 9:46:15 AM PST by MudPuppy
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To: verity

Oliver North (archive)
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July 26, 2002

It's about keeping promises

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- It's been a lousy summer for President George W. Bush. Republican leaders are grousing that he isn't doing enough to keep GOP control of the House. Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld has his arm in a cast, and the Pentagon press corps is beating him up because we can't find Osama's body. Diplomatic correspondents are howling that the president isn't tough enough on Israel. The business press blames him for the stock market collapse and for being soft on corporate crooks. And now the gossip columnists are piling on over the length of his vacation. No wonder the man wants to spend a month in Crawford. But while he's at the ranch, he had better phone Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Director Mitch Daniels or it could get even worse. If he doesn't, some of his most fervent supporters will start re-thinking their loyalty.

Who are they? America's soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, veterans and military retirees. The troops' lament: broken promises.

Here's the problem. When he was campaigning for commander in chief, Bush habitually said things like: "To the veteran, we owe gratitude -- shown not just in words of tribute, but in acts of care and attention. ... As president, I will work with Congress to raise the standard of service -- not just for veterans, but for our military retirees. All of them must be treated with the care they have been promised and the dignity they have earned."

Gov. Bush spoke those words to the American Legion in Milwaukee, Wisc., on Sept. 6, 2000, and replicated them throughout his campaign. America's military and veteran families -- more than 26 million of them -- heard and believed. And overwhelmingly, they voted for him -- as was evident after dimpled chads and absentee ballots became big issues in Florida. Many military and veteran families believe that if it weren't for them, George W. Bush wouldn't be president. And they may be right.

To his credit, Bush continued his courtship of veterans after his inaugural. At a Memorial Day breakfast in the East Room on May 28, 2001, he said: "America's veterans ask only that government honor its commitments as they honored theirs. They ask that their interests be protected, as they protected their country's interest in foreign lands. In all matters of concern to veterans -- from health care to program funding -- you have my pledge that those commitments will be kept. My administration will do all it can to assist our veterans and to correct oversights of the past." Great stuff. Too bad that this week the Bush administration's budget boss, OMB Director Mitch Daniels, made all those promises appear hollow.

The issue, like so much else in the federal government, is a little-known inequity with an arcane moniker: "concurrent receipt," a provision of law that prohibits retired military veterans from drawing full retirement checks if they also receive a disability payment. What it means is that those who suffer a disabling wound defending our country will be financially punished if they somehow manage to stay in the armed forces long enough to retire. Sound nuts? It is.

In the interest of full disclosure, let me make this personal. During my 22 years in the Marines, I wasn't always quick or agile enough to get out of the way when our nation's enemies were doing bad things. My fellow Marines pinned a couple of purple hearts on my uniform to remind others of my clumsiness.

When I got around to retiring in 1988, a Navy doctor wrote up a long report describing various wounds and injuries. The Department of Veteran's Affairs took the doctor's evaluation and decided that the damage was worth about $450 per month. What I didn't understand at the time was the ingenious way our government had of paying me roughly $5,400 per year. It comes out of my own pocket. Every month, my retirement check is reduced by precisely the amount of my disability payment. And that's exactly how it's done for roughly 550,000 other disabled, retired veterans.

No one would dare to reduce retirement benefits for postal workers with hernias from hoisting mailbags. Nor would anyone in Congress have the temerity to suggest that Civil Service employees forfeit a portion of their retirement checks to pay for on-the-job injuries like carpal tunnel syndrome. Only those who do the dirty and dangerous work of defending this nation suffer this indignity -- the very ones who believed the president's promise that, "My administration understands America's obligations not only to those who wear the uniform today, but to those who wore the uniform in the past -- our veterans."

Unfortunately, the deficit hawks in Bush's Office of Management and Budget are now ignoring this "obligation" (his word, not mine) because fixing the problem is too expensive. The Congressional Budget Office estimates it would cost approximately $2 billion in fiscal year 2003. Of course, bloated deficits haven't stopped Congress from padding its own payrolls or stuffing 8,341 pork-barrel projects, estimated by Citizens Against Government Waste at $20 billion, in this year's 13 appropriations bills.

What's worse, the Rumsfeld Pentagon doesn't seem to grasp that this punitive policy has an unquantifiable adverse effect on retention and combat effectiveness. Do we really want a military force led by risk-averse, desk-bound officers and NCOs who avoid the possibility of getting wounded because they don't want to financially punish their families?

Bush has said, "Veterans are a priority for this administration." He had better make those in his administration believe it because veterans also believe that old axiom, "You can't just talk the talk -- you have to walk the walk."

Contact Oliver North | Read his biography

©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


9 posted on 10/28/2002 9:48:46 AM PST by matrix
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To: meenie
Bump.
10 posted on 10/28/2002 4:19:20 PM PST by matrix
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To: joesnuffy
Excellent post!
11 posted on 10/28/2002 4:21:38 PM PST by matrix
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To: verity

12 posted on 10/29/2002 2:50:01 PM PST by matrix
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To: verity
Do you care to refute with facts?

Didn't think so.

Care to apologized to retired, disabled vets?

I won't hold my breath.

13 posted on 10/29/2002 3:00:32 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: matrix
The administration has continued a terrible policy of making these disabled veterans pay for their own disabilities. The disability pension authorized by the VA is deducted from the 20-year-plus service pension they earned day by day and year by year, carrying the will of the American people to the far corners of the earth in harm's way.

The facts in the second sentence simply do not support the contention made in ther first sentence. That is my only point. As a retiree, I have full sympathy with the plight of the DAV's.

14 posted on 10/30/2002 4:09:37 PM PST by verity
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To: joesnuffy
Joe: See my reply #14 to matrix.
15 posted on 10/30/2002 4:18:12 PM PST by verity
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To: Eagle Eye
I won't hold my breath

You may have held your breath once too often because you failed to recognize that my challenge was limited in scope. Take a deep breath and see my reply #14 to matrix.

16 posted on 10/30/2002 4:26:17 PM PST by verity
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To: verity
Maybe if you had communicated your thoughts more effectively you wouldn't have to elaborate on them.

The fact is that the administration HAS continued the existing policies. Help is on the way?

17 posted on 10/31/2002 6:25:02 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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