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Left Accuses GOP: "Getting Rid of Wellstone is Passion for Rove, Cheney, George W. Bush"
Citizens for Legitimate Government ^ | 10/26/02 | Self

Posted on 10/26/2002 1:55:58 PM PDT by bootless

This is what I received in my email. My comments follow. Bold is theirs.

Breaking News and Commentary from Citizens for Legitimate Government
October 26, 2002
http://www.legitgov.org/

-- BREAKING NEWS AND COMMENTARY--
http://legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
[Senator Paul Wellstone, 58, died in plane crash. We have lost one of our best, brightest and most consistently progressive Senators. And now Senate control is in serious jeopardy. We mourn the terrible loss of a true Patriot and hero.]

Paul Wellstone, Fighter -- by John Nichols (The Nation, May 9, 2002)
"Paul Wellstone is a hunted man.
Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. 'There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone,' a senior Republican aide confides. 'This one is political and personal for them.' "

Bush Fears Tenacious, Popular Wellstone -- by John Nichols (Madison Capital Times, April 24, 2001)
"Let there be no doubt as to the identity of George W. Bush’s least favorite Democratic U.S. senator. It’s Wellstone, the rabble-rousing Progressive who represents not just Minnesota but what remains of the fighting populist spirit of the Upper Midwest... The Bushies despise Wellstone, who unlike most Senate Democrats has been fighting spirited battles against the new administration’s policies on everything from the environment to the tax cuts for the rich to military aid for the 'Plan Colombia' drug war boondoggle. Other Democratic senators who face re-election contests in 2002 are, according to polls, more vulnerable than Wellstone. But the Bush camp has been focusing highest-level attention on "Plan Wellstone" — its project to silence progressive opposition."

Mysterious group spends $1 million on anti-Wellstone campaign Americans for Job Security, a Virginia-based interest group that opposes the reelection of Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone, has made an unprecedented $1 million ad buy that will fill the airwaves in the last two weeks before the election, according to Wellstone campaign officials.

Wellstone Sets Pace, Declares Support for Action on Corporate Reform (Oct. 24, 2002) Sen. Paul Wellstone of Minnesota today became the first Member of Congress to support a pledge to work for top to bottom reform of corporations and to provide new tools for federal regulators to protect taxpayers, consumers and investors. The 12-point pledge is being circulated to all 535 members of the Senate and the House of Representatives by Ralph Nader in an effort to build momentum for major reforms in the wake of the corporate fraud exposed at Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, Adelphi, Arthur Andersen and many other businesses.

Minnesota Senator Is Among 8 Dead in Crash Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota was killed Friday when his campaign plane crashed in a wooded region in the northern part of his state, officials said Friday. Mr. Wellstone, 58, a Democrat who was one of the Senate's most liberal members and was in a fierce fight to win re-election to a third term, perished along with seven other people when the aircraft went down near Eveleth. Mr. Wellstone had opposed the resolution giving pResident Bush the authority to invade Iraq. [This is a terrible loss and one of the most inauspicious coincidences imaginable!]

Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone dead in plane crash in Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Democrat from Minnesota, was killed in a small plane crash Friday about seven miles east of Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport, authorities said. Eight people were reported aboard the plane -- a twin-engine turboprop King Air manufactured by Raytheon Aircraft.

Raytheon wants to help in investigation of senator's plane crash [Holy Cover-Up, Batman!! I am *SURE* they do!] Wichita-based Raytheon Aircraft Co. said it is willing and able to send an investigative team to examine the cause of the plane crash that killed U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone along with his wife, daughter and five others in northern Minnesota Friday.

Team to search for crash causes -- Investigation: The FBI will determine whether Friday's crash was caused by bad weather, mechanical problems or human error. The Beech King Air that Sen. Paul Wellstone boarded in St. Paul Friday morning had a solid track record as one of the most popular workhorses in the sky. But something went wrong Friday... {FREEPER NOTE: Icing will do that to you in Northern Minnesota.)

Did the right-wing or CIA or someone close to Bush tamper with Sen. Wellstone’s plane?
By Jackson Thoreau "My first hunch about Sen. Wellstone's tragic plane crash less than two weeks before this pivotal election is that the plane was tampered with by right-wingers, possibly the CIA. Raytheon Co., one of the biggest U.S. military contractors and manufacturer of the plane that crashed, is a huge donor to Republicans - U.S. House Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas, for instance, received $48,201 alone from Raytheon in 1997-98. The Republican National Committee received at least $170,000 from Raytheon since 1999." {FREEPER Note: ... Oh, never mind. What can I add to what you're already thinking?}

Raytheon -- Strategic Business Areas The company's four strategic business areas are aligned to provide customers with solutions that draw upon the capabilities of the entire company. These strategic business areas are: Missile Defense; Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance; Precision Strike; and Homeland Security. Raytheon Backgrounders: Raytheon - Experienced Partner in Homeland Security; Raytheon - Airport Security; First Responder Command and Communication Vehicle

Similarities of Wellstone, Carnahan deaths send shudder through body politic. It was all too similar: A fatal plane crash days before an election in a hard-fought U.S. Senate race [killing key Democrats]. The accident that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat, members of his family and three of his staff on Friday chilled political figures from Missouri, coming as it did almost exactly two years after the death of Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan. [The most virulent strains of anthrax were sent to whom? That would be *Democrats.* Coincidence run amok...] {FREEPER NOTE: Leftist paranoia run amok. Both GOP opposition candidates suspended their campaigns following each crash. And Carnahan WON!}

Wellstone Death Throws Senate Race Into Chaos The sudden death of incumbent Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone threw a tight Minnesota race that could decide control of the Senate into chaos on Friday, little more than a week before the election.

Statement by President Al Gore on Senator Paul Wellstone 1944-2002

Lori R. Price
http://legitgov.org
Petition to Senate - Investigate Oddities of 9/11: http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: badtaste; crash; heinousness; leftists; rats; tinfoilalert; unfoundedaccusation; unspeakable; wellstone
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To: bootless
Something has crawled up the anus of the nation and has died.
41 posted on 10/26/2002 2:36:21 PM PDT by oyez
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To: redlipstick
You won't believe how paranoid they are...


Oh yes I would...(click)

42 posted on 10/26/2002 2:37:27 PM PDT by Fintan
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To: bootless
I'm surrounded by stupid people...in my neighborhood...even in my own family...ARRRRRRRGH!

No wonder I get so many headaches.

43 posted on 10/26/2002 2:41:13 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: bootless
THe Liberals as is their usual tasteless, incompassionate, selfish, uncouth, slimy, crevice dwelling nature, are using the accidental death of one of their very own treasured socialist to amplify the stench of their already odorus, anything goes, desperation drive to hang onto the power they need to destroy the system they loathe. We Republicans tried to be nice and extended our sympathy to and prayers for the families of the crash victims, and as usual the Slimeberals mistook compassion for weakness. Let them bury their own dead and let us move on with every ounce of our strength and committment to elect the same live Republican, that we considered preferrable to a live Wellstone, and not surrender the fight to the deceased or to a replacement with one foot in the grave and the other of ice, so the libs can then appoint someone who could never have gotten themselves elect.

THe battle goes on and we must win it.
44 posted on 10/26/2002 2:45:06 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: bootless
My opinion is that Wellstone was, in fact, murdered. He was killed by Hillie Clinton because her stealth polling told her that Wellstone was now likely to win. When she runs for President in 2008, she does not want a more attractive candidate to the left of her.

She had the motive. With family resources, she had the means and, at this time/place, she had the opportunity. She also seems to being suffering a major defeat with her support of McCall in New York state

Check out the people doing the NTSB and FBI investigations of the crash. Note how many of the are connected with or beholden to Willie and his administration. The crash report will be a whitewash and questions about contaminated fuel, malfunctioning instruments, drugged pilots, and so on will be glibbly answered. It will look a lot like the report of the TWA Flt 800 shoot down.

No, I believe she killed him to get him out of the picture at an opportune moment.

45 posted on 10/26/2002 2:45:57 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: F.J. Mitchell
let us move on with every ounce of our strength and committment to elect the same live Republican, that we considered preferrable to a live Wellstone, and not surrender the fight to the deceased or to a replacement with one foot in the grave and the other of ice, so the libs can then appoint someone who could never have gotten themselves elect. Bravo, well said and dittos!!! ... Freepers, LET'S ROLL!
46 posted on 10/26/2002 2:49:51 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Neanderthals...One of these days the slimballs will crawl back the the corrupted cesspool that they came from. Its a shame that walls of government contain such people. What can we expect af eight years of Clinton and his politics of self distruction. If there is a stich of decentcy will some one please point it out to me?
47 posted on 10/26/2002 2:54:27 PM PDT by oyez
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To: CounterCounterCulture; snopercod; Criminal Number 18F; hoosierskypilot
I've pulled some pertinent info from Avsig.com - the people who REALLY know what they're talking about re: aviation. This particular thread involves one of the most experienced pilots in the US who happens to be from Minnesota, and an accident investigation wizard. No B.S. here. Here are some excerpts. I've expanded some abbreviations where necessary:

1. Non-precision approach. Rate of incident/accident much higher than with precision. The wind is not a factor. Weather shouldn't be a factor with 700 over.

(from accident investigator, whose opinion I respect highly (Dick Duxbury):
2. NTSB team will have my friend Robert Benzon as the Investigator in Charge of a 9 member team. He's very good!

Brings back bad memories for Dux and a snowy drive to Hibbing, Minnesota in December some years ago to help investigate the Express BA31A turbo crash killing all 19 on board. Bashed Christmas presents among the trees. We initially suspected icing.

However that accident was indeed CFIT and also a non precision approach like the case today. However today's accident site looks like a smoking hole unlike the broken string of trees at the Hibbing accident. The Hibbing accident site was on the approach path but below the minimum decent height. Today's accident site was certainly not on the approach path.

(from a pilot friend who just moved to MI from MN):
3. ... reading the local news reports, there is a mention of freezing rain. Surface temp, according to the airport manager, was 33 degrees. Ceiling between 400 and 700. Ice reported by a pilot at Hibbing, about 25 miles away.

(from Randy Sohn of MN, the afore-mentioned extremely experienced pilot):
4. I wrote a page or two in our 580 manual about tailplane icing causing a "pitchover" *when extending landing flaps*, for this reason we limited landing flaps to 28 degrees in icing conditions. An oil company, Union Producing IIRC, 580 went into the approach lights at Midland years ago because of this deal. I still have that I'd written.

Regarding the King Air's performance in ice:
5. Unfortunately, the boots on a King Air, even when new, do a terrible job of removing ice. We carefully applied all of BF Goodrich’s “Age Master” and “Ice-X” products to our new boots and never ever got a clean break of all the ice. The KA-200 was pretty good about climbing through the icing levels. The KA-350 was even better and could out climb any of the 500 series Citations. But the A100 was/is just a dog. Way underpowered.

6. KingAirs are subject to the same tailplane icing problems as the crash as Rosemont brought to light. Tail is producing substantial downforce, and when it stalls, the result is a quick and severe pitch down.

From another long-time aviation brain, much experience (Wally Roberts):
7. Just saw the NTSB news conference:

a. They had turned 90 degrees to the left off instrument approach final and were flying about due south at impact. I think I heard they were 2 miles south of final, but that might not be correct. I wish she would talk in LAT/LONese.~

b. Some local guy saw them go over his house at "about 95 feet" in a crab.

c. No CVR, nor was one required.

d. It did not go "straight in" but did have steeper descent angle than "normal" for this type of instrument approach.

Personal observation: I think all discussion about approach descent angles seems a bit off-target when the aircraft is 90 degress to the final approach course, and probably outside approach procedure airspace.

The NTSB lady also stated that someone had been dispatched to the Center, some 200 miles away, to check ATC tapes. Makes me wonder whether Center was working the flight instead of Duluth TRACON. Well, in any case, without an FDR and CVR, all I can say to the investigators: lots of luck.

From Jim Tavenner, Capt. for American:
8. The type of turboprop aircraft now used by regional airlines do not have engines powerful enough for heated wings. About the only aircraft still around in this category include: ATRs, Saab 340s, Dash-8s, Jetstreams, Doniers, and Beech 1900s. All of these aircraft have pneumatic boots, rather than heated wings. Regional Jets now comprise most of the regional airline fleets, and all of those types have heated anti-ice equipment.

I hope these excerpts have been informative and helpful, and will keep the non-fact-based speculation down. These guys are usually pretty close to what ultimately comes out as the cause.

This Lori Price crowd ... whatta bunch of ... sheesh.

48 posted on 10/26/2002 2:54:53 PM PDT by bootless
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I see Stupid People! And they don't even know they're stupid!
49 posted on 10/26/2002 2:55:43 PM PDT by bootless
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To: Fintan
You won't believe how paranoid they are...


Oh yes I would...(click)



Jesus .. these folks apparently believe we all act like they would...
50 posted on 10/26/2002 2:57:52 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: WOSG; MAKnight
Minnesota bump
51 posted on 10/26/2002 2:59:11 PM PDT by bootless
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To: Southack
So how come Carhahan's wife won the election if he was so far behind?
52 posted on 10/26/2002 3:20:48 PM PDT by droberts
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To: Southack
I thought I was the only one to notice!!

Shades of Arkancide keep haunting me.
53 posted on 10/26/2002 3:26:02 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: habs4ever
While I take issue with your premises about -- and characterization of -- the latter group, the answer is yes.

QUESTION:

An autopsy of Paul Wellstone was a given and instantaneous. It is being performed as I write this.

Under federal law, Ron Brown's cabinet position mandated an autopsy. Brown died in a plane crash far more -- shall we say ambiguous -- than the crash that took the life of Wellstone.

WHY WASN'T AN AUTOPSY PERFORMED ON RON BROWN?

AND WHY DID JESSE JACKSON AND THE BLACK CAUCUS SUDDENLY DROP THEIR DEMAND FOR A PROBE OF RON BROWN'S DEATH?

ANSWER:

goto AUTOPSY: Paul Wellstone vs. Ron Brown


54 posted on 10/26/2002 3:35:34 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: bootless
thanks for the heads up as well as the welcome! ;)
55 posted on 10/26/2002 3:36:44 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: muawiyah
...the question of why all those leftwing lunatics knew Wellstone was going to be assassinated?

And didn't alert the proper authorities? I wonder how many of these shrill jerks are from the D.C. Metro area and may have been abetting J.A. Muhammad? Hmmmm. < Grumble >< Grumble >

56 posted on 10/26/2002 3:44:25 PM PDT by woofer
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To: muawiyah
...the question of why all those leftwing lunatics knew Wellstone was going to be assassinated?

And didn't alert the proper authorities? I wonder how many of these shrill jerks are from the D.C. Metro area and may have been abetting J.A. Muhammad? Hmmmm. < Grumble >< Grumble >

57 posted on 10/26/2002 3:45:05 PM PDT by woofer
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I'm surrounded by stupid people...in my neighborhood...even in my own family...ARRRRRRRGH

I know what you mean
IT IS MADDENING
58 posted on 10/26/2002 3:51:43 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: bootless
We did not want him dead. Just our of the Senate
59 posted on 10/26/2002 4:03:27 PM PDT by Classicaliberalconservative
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To: bootless
Oh god whenever a pol has an accident the conspiracy theorist are all over it. What did you expect LOL.
60 posted on 10/26/2002 4:05:11 PM PDT by weikel
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